Who is running NT7b10? Thread for tips, problems, successes, etc.

[ZTR]

Hoping to keep in touch with those on the forum running the newest version of NT Beta each time it is released. Just as a way to share tips, problems, successes, etc.




Currently running NT7b10 as of this afternoon, was able to quickly install and start it. Takes about 5 minutes to load the 5 workspaces I am following:

• 6E
• ES
• CL
• GC
• ZB

NT allowed about 800 users this time, I'm sure some of them are here, let me know?

[gregid]

I skipped Beta 9 but now I am on Beta 10 - now struggling with some annoying crashes on start up

[ZTR]

I saw you posted something to the NT thread, it take 5 miniutes to start & boggs down, but has not crashed yet. I just did some sim trades and posted stuff and put the output in .xml. got real slow, but did not crash & that is with 6 workspaces, now.

[ZTR]

Using 1 workspace to quickly identify markets with high probability trades.

This is something that caused me problems in 6.5: The ability to have multiple workspaces open at the same time without freezing, hanging or crashing. Not always, but enough to make me not use it.

With 7b10 all the other workspaces are basically the same, just adjusted for the trading volume and range of each instrument: 6E is shown. Also have CL, ES, GC, FDAX open.

[ronan2505]

I skipped 9 as 8 made pc crash, had lots of charts errors (which im now told are a lot better in 10) no matter what i did it crashed on me. going to instal 10 this weekend. will post findings on this thread

[trader1512]

im new to the beta program but pleh. im really not that impressed with the product. i didnt have the stability problems with 6.5 that most users seem to state are the main advantage. i was really hoping that the new version would have more trading functionality. i really dont see much. incremental trading tools is what i was hoping for but didnt really find them.

the dom is the same, time and sales data is fundamental. its really annoying when you are drawing on the chart and click to place your drawing tool and all the indicators pop up for editing. yes i know you can turn that off but then what value is it if you have to turn it on each time you want to use it.

not at all improved for chart annotations. still the same basic text and place.

so maybe i am missing something but after all this time i must say if your a techie impressed with the infrasture and architecture changes then good for you. as a trader, i dont think it was worth the wait.

[ronan2505]

I have spent most of today trying to get NT7B10 to work however to no avail. I cant even get it to load, it starts to load and then says it has to close. I have done tests on memory, hard drive etc, all pass with flying colours (I carried out two different tests on each hardware in case 1 missed something), I have now emailed the trace file to NT support and will see what they come back with and will post here. I am honestly baffled it at least loaded until a couple of versions ago. I really like the idea of different time frames on one chart for Indies etc.

Will post what NT come back from the trace file

[emini_Holy_Grail]

NT 7 beta 9 and 10 crashes, so back and safe with 6.5

[ZTR]

Did you do a clean Install?

see

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[ronan2505]

Hi Ztrade101, Yes I did a clean install, saw your post on clean install the other week. Uninstalled from add.remove programms, then deleted the NT7 file in My Docs, then did a search for NT7 to make sure i didnt miss anything before i installed.

[tellytub]

ZTrade101 

Using 1 workspace to quickly identify markets with high probability trades. This is something that caused me problems in 6.5: The ability to have multiple workspaces open at the same time without freezing, hanging or crashing. Not always, but enough to make me not use it. With 7b10 all the other workspaces are basically the same, just adjusted for the trading volume and range of each instrument: 6E is shown. Also have CL, ES, GC, FDAX open.

Wow ZTrade101, how much memory does that take up?

[ZTR]

tellytub 

Wow ZTrade101, how much memory does that take up?

Here is a screen shot of the Utilization running 7 workspaces.

If you are having problems I suggest starting with no workspaces, just move then out of the NinjaTrader 7 folder. then connect to your data fees and open a time&sales window. Then add a chart at a time with as minimal template. - maybe EMA20. See what happens.

Worked for me after the computer & NT7 learned to play nice. Don't ask me why it just started working.

[Zondor]

I have 9 workspaces running concurrently. Each one has three or four charts, and one of those charts in each workspace has three different GomRecorders that are recording binary files. I am a little concerned about whether running 27 of these at the same time will cause a disk i/o bottleneck during fast markets. So far so good, no crashes.

Task Manager says that NT is using 238 MB or RAM. My system has 3.2 GB.

Generally a nostart is because of a corrupted chart or workspace. Whenever I had this problem I got rid of all the existing workspaces, restarted, and rebuilt them. See ZTrade101's recent previous post. Another thing to do that really helps is to make sure that the chart dataseries lookback period is about 200 to 300 BARS back. When I used DAYS back the charts would load very slowly.

Who is running NT7b10? Thread for tips, problems, successes, etc. Wow ZTrade101, how much memory does that take up? Here is a screen shot of the Utilization running 7 workspaces. If you are having problems I suggest starting with no workspaces, just move then out of the NinjaTrader 7 folder. then connect to your …

Have not had any problems like this with B10, but it was a real issue with B9. Ninja recognized that there was a problem and it seems to be fixed.

[trader1512]

NT7 B10 does not support the custom indicator floor pivots. no pivot, support, resistance lines show up.

[ZTR]

I am assuming this is an indicator written in NinjaScript? If so, post it & later today I'll take a look.

[ronan2505]

NT came back to me with the findings on trace file, I did not have the PFG connection loaded for NT7!! Feel stupid now, such a simple over sight!. Anyway its loading, connecting etc, will play with it over the next few days and post findings.

[tellytub]

I'm on BETA 9, never had any problems, prob stick with it as well. I've using win XP pro, quad core. And when I do look at my charts, I prob have 3/4 charts open and IE (BigMikes Forum), thats it.

[Fat Tails]

There is one indicator for NT 6.5. and the other one is for NT7, both display floor pivots. See link below:

NinjaTrader Support Forum

The SessionPivots indicator above is based on the NT 7 pivots indicator. However the NT version still is flawed, because it uses GetSessionDate(), which currently does not work correctly. This will result in false values depending on SessionTemplate and TimeZone of PC clock.

Not use SessionPivots in DailyBars mode with Zenfire, as Zenfire does not supply daily data to NT. Select correct session for the instrument. Do not use DailyBars between session close and midnight local time, as NT does not correctly update the daily bars, again depending on the session template. SessionPivots indicator is more or less foolproof in CalcFromIntradayData mode, when correct session is chosen.

Otherwise I have found NT 7 to be very stable, I have had no crashes with NT 7.0.0.10 so far, much better compared to NT 6.5!

trader1512 

NT7 B10 does not support the custom indicator floor pivots. no pivot, support, resistance lines show up.

[ZTR]

Has anyone else seen this?

NT7b10 crashes and gives the X of Death Screen (Remember the Blue screen of Death with Windows) when running Straits in Replay.

Ain't about to try it live. Will run it on my laptop in parallel. I ignore the signals I have yet to filter out using a few more indicator conditions.

But so far other the the dumb NinjaTrader has encountered problem error and need to shutdown - which can be completely ignored - The Strat still runs and loses lots of $$$.

Working on additional conditions to stop it from losing so much $$$.

[Big Mike]

ZTrade101 

Has anyone else seen this?

Yes, all the time. NinjaTrader's handling of exceptions is completely embarrassing, or should be, by any of their programming staff.

As for ignoring the "NinjaTrader's encountered a problem" messages, it is usually very unwise. Many things just break after that message, like strategies won't re-init, or indicators won't re-init, or in-memory corruption occurs of bar data, historical data not saved to disk, etc etc... any number of things.

Mike

[Druid]

Running NT7 v10 64bit with 12 charts open in one work space. No crashes to date but never had any non-indicator related crashes in the last 3 beta versions either. Using IB data
PC running Win 7 64 bit/ Q9300/ 8gb ram/ 250 GT video card.

[ZTR]

Big Mike 

As for ignoring the "NinjaTrader's encountered a problem" messages, it is usually very unwise. Many things just break after that message, like strategies won't re-init, or indicators won't re-init, or in-memory corruption occurs of bar data, historical data not saved to disk, etc etc... any number of things. Mike

I've been running up to 2 weeks of replay at anywhere from 50 to 500 times and I always get that message. Then it seems to run fine as I can sim trade without issue. Never happens with a live stream and executions are working well enough to actually trade, but with my phone loaded with the trade desk number just one click away.

With 9 the X was a regular occurrence, but this is the 1st time I saw it with 7b10 & it has been running 23.75 hours a day. It was only when I added a strat running replay for more than one session that it started having problems. Did it when I went out as was curious if it would run 2 weeks @ 50 times. Did not even think about using an output window. Sent the Log & Trace to NT support, see if they get back to me. Haven't bothered to check the NT Beta thread as I am sure this is not unique - from the futures.io (formerly BMT) feedback I've seen.

Hope they can fix this as it is such an important feature.

[Fat Tails]

The Red X points to an exception related to ChartControl. If you want to know the details you need to look at your trace file.

I am currently getting a Red Cross, when I am loading up too much historical data at once and my data supplier stops sending historical data. In this case NT - it is version 7.0.0.10 - throws an exception, and I need to close the chart. I can then reopen a new chart and continue without any problem. I have communicated this to support, they have confirmed the bug and it should go away with the next release.

But don't be too critical: NT 7.0.0.10 is not a product that is sold, it is not yet a public Beta, but it is a half-public pre-Beta. So if you participate in a test to evaluate it, do not expect that everything works and be ready to take the pain to endure some setbacks. I am much more critical, if I look at NT 6.5., because I paid for it.

ZTrade101 

Has anyone else seen this? NT7b10 crashes and gives the X of Death Screen (Remember the Blue screen of Death with Windows) when running Straits in Replay. Ain't about to try it live. Will run it on my laptop in parallel. I ignore the signals I have yet to filter out using a few more indicator conditions. But so far other the the dumb NinjaTrader has encountered problem error and need to shutdown - which can be completely ignored - The Strat still runs and loses lots of $$$. Working on additional conditions to stop it from losing so much $$$.

[ZTR]

Learned the hard way that the recording indicators from Gomi & Zondor sometimes have gaps and for what ever reason fail when in binary mode. They also get super fragmented (150+ fragments at the end of some days).

Eventually will have to bit the bullet and figure why these recording failures happen. Maybe once 7 is finally released - cause NT has no interest in persistent indicators. As well as other data issues voiced by RJay.

Until then, the quick and dirty fix is to run two versions of each: 1 binary and 1 flat.
(Zondor says he will post his newest indicators and a recorder later this week.)

If you F5 and it does not refresh switch to flat and the data is displayed. Takes up a lot more space, but I only need this info for a week or two at a time,

So, delete the recording files on a regular basis and run replay with all 4 versions (see below) if you need them rebuilt.
If things go really bad I do this on a laptop running 7 with just the chart shown below.
Then stop NT and move the file to your main computer & restart NT. Can be done really fast @ 500X replay, even during market sessions.

[ZTR]

Here is the error when starting replay with lots of stuff going on:

2010-03-07 07:28:01:079 in OnUnhandledThreadException
2010-03-07 07:28:01:126 ********* exception trapped *********
2010-03-07 07:28:01:126 Index was outside the bounds of the array.

I ran replay in a way suggested by Jason Hilling of NT support:

His explaination is longer, here is the essence:

Start replay with a bare bones workspace.
No charts, just the Control Center.
No errors.

Then open a full workspace. No errors.

Also ran a strat with a live zenfire data feed in Global Sim mode without problem, starting the same way.

[ronan2505]

Fat Tails 

The Red X points to an exception related to ChartControl. If you want to know the details you need to look at your trace file. I am currently getting a Red Cross, when I am loading up too much historical data at once and my data supplier stops sending historical data. In this case NT - it is version 7.0.0.10 - throws an exception, and I need to close the chart. I can then reopen a new chart and continue without any problem. I have communicated this to support, they have confirmed the bug and it should go away with the next release. But don't be too critical: NT 7.0.0.10 is not a product that is sold, it is not yet a public Beta, but it is a half-public pre-Beta. So if you participate in a test to evaluate it, do not expect that everything works and be ready to take the pain to endure some setbacks. I am much more critical, if I look at NT 6.5., because I paid for it.

I agree with fat tails, NT7 is not for sale, and the fact that we are testing it is only to our advantage, so any bugs we may come across for our type of trading can be fixed before general release, Since I have got B10 up and running, which i am doing out of session hours as using 6.5 for live trading, I am happy a lot of bugs have been fixed and it is not crashing nearly as much, and is a lot faster. i have also noted it is not using as much CPU as 6.5 (but i have yet to load up loads of charts etc so will come back with that). I have noticed a few things, I am trying to get the indis I use to work on NT7. But all in all as i did not load B9 I can see a lot of fixes have been carried out in 2 versions, thats not to say there are still a lot left to fix, but it is a step in the right direction. Sunday is B10 day in my house so I hope to able to report back.

[Fat Tails]

I am really unhappy with NT 7.0.0.10 because there is quite a number of data and session related bugs that the guys from NinjaTrader do not understand. So I will post some of those here for further discussion. I am even afraid that they will never make it. You can certainly not tradwe on that!

So first post is a chart of ES 06-10 today (rollover date) with Globex session template. Merge backadjusted clearly does not work.

If you look at the chart you will discover 5 errors.

What are these guys doing?

[ZTR]

Can't tell from your post if you emailed NT support or posted the problem on their Forum.

Support is not nearly as good as posting to NinjaTradesSupportForum

[Fat Tails]

Josh answered this. They are working on these issues, but they do not make any progress since a couple of weeks. For example see this (NT 7.0.0.10):

If you use GetSessionDate(), NT7 takes the date of the beginning of the session. But this is not the session date! The session date should always be the trade date, i.e. the date of the end of the session.

Now if you take ES, the Monday session is shorter than the other sessions. The Monday session starts at 6 PM EST Sunday, the next session at 4:30 PM EST Monday. Now convert this to CET, so you will get

- one session starting at 0:00 AM CET Monday
- the next session starting at 10:30 PM CET Monday

2 Monday sessions...... the NT pivots indicator uses this, and guess what, Tuesday's pivots are calculated from Friday. LOL

I feel that they are not really understanding the problem ....

ZTrade101 

Can't tell from your post if you emailed NT support or posted the problem on their Forum. Support is not nearly as good as posting to NinjaTradesSupportForum

[ZTR]

Fat Tails 

I feel that they are not really understanding the problem ....

I have posted previously it seems a question must be asked 3 times to get an answer.

I find if I post it on their forum a better answer is likely - either from NinjaTrader_JohnDoe or one of the NT users.

[Fat Tails]

All the stuff is posted on the forum and was answered, but it seems that they cannot easily fix it.

ZTrade101 

I have posted previously it seems a question must be asked 3 times to get an answer. I find if I post it on their forum a better answer is likely - either from NinjaTrader_JohnDoe or one of the NT users.