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Hi there,

I hope you dont mind me asking this?

In this forum I've found 2 types of renko bars i.e

MedianRenko and SbSRenko. Both of which works well in NT 6.5x

I tried importing both to NT7 and none of them work.

Can someone please help me in getting these to work in NT7?

Hope you dont mind?

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I believe these are not supported in NT 7, as NT 7 supports Renko Bars natively.

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Hi guys

Attached is MedianRenko I've just converted to NT7.

As this my first experience with BarTypes ever please test it carefully before starting using (and don't forget to post the results of your tests here).

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I found one problem with median renko (at least in version NT7)

At exactly round hours (like 17:00:00) the behaviour of the wick is somewhat weird: it keeps drawing the wick until finally the hour changes to 17:00:01. Can anyone else confirm similar problem (both NT6.5 and NT7)?

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Happens to me as well on session breaks (ie: pit close to pit open).

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Hi guys

Attached is MedianRenko I've just converted to NT7.

As this my first experience with BarTypes ever please test it carefully before starting using (and don't forget to post the results of your tests here).


Thanks for doing this gregid, it didnt work for me at all, I guess I must be doing something wrong?

I copied the .cs file into

C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\NinjaTrader 7\bin\Custom\Indicator

went in Ninja7, went to Edit Indicator, compilied the code, that worked ok. I then closed down Ninja, picked CL and I could not find the MedianRenko from the chart type?

Do you know why this is gregid or Milke?

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tellytub, please copy the cs file to:

C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\NinjaTrader 7\bin\Custom\Type

then open any ninjascript (indicator or strategy) and compile it. The last step is to restart NT

it should be available now

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tellytub, please copy the cs file to:

C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\NinjaTrader 7\bin\Custom\Type

then open any ninjascript (indicator or strategy) and compile it. The last step is to restart NT

it should be available now

Hi gregid, done as per the instructions above, still not there N.B. Im using Ninja 7.0.0.7


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try this:

delete the medianrenko file in indicator folder first, open any indicator, compile and don't forget you need to restart NT

if this doesn't work please post the cs file for PointO bars (the last in the attached screenshot) - I want to check if they are not in conflict

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try this:

delete the medianrenko file in indicator folder first, open any indicator, compile and don't forget you need to restart NT

if this doesn't work please post the cs file for PointO bars (the last in the attached screenshot) - I want to check if they are not in conflict


You were right it was the PointO that was causing the problem, I deleted the PointO and it worked OK. Thanks gregid, I'll test out the medianrenko today.

Thanks again for making it work.

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While waiting for NinjaTrader to natively support wicks in Renko bars (and I won't be surprised if this never happens) I converted good old SbSRenko to NT7 + I added previously converted MedianRenko to the zip file for ease of installing (import those files just as you would do with any indicator).

Both files attached below.

On the side note: both SbSRenko and MedianRenko suffer from the same long wicks problem on the beginning of the sessions - I would welcome any assistance in solving this once and for all.

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Ok, I have given the correct renko implementation to Ninja several times, but for some reason they refuse to fix it after they broke it in B7. I have resisted giving them any more help since they do not really appreciate it.

However, I have gotten so much out of futures.io (formerly BMT), I decided I needed to provide this implementation here.

Attached is a renko implemenation that maintains the correct wicks/volume. Originally, I had hoped that Ninja would make it the default RenkoBarType, but instead I am providing it here as WickedRenkoBarType.

It should coexist with SbsRenko and MedianRenko and NT Renko. The implementation also allows CandleSticks or OpenClose bar types to be used, but maintains the wick data reguardless of how it is displayed.

To use this, just import the zip file, compile some indicator, and restart Ninja to get the code loaded.

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Thank you aslan(e)

I followed your struggle on the NT forum and even after reminding them of your solution the only answer I got was: "we won't comment on it".

Thanks again!

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In the Ninja forum, there was a version from B6 that mostly worked, but was not hardened. When the Ninja guys tried to harden it, they completely neglected the wick data and broke the code base. The version I posted here, adds the hardening, and fixes a bug that was causing some of the bars to have the wrong volume.

It should also be noted, that Roonius did a lot of the original Renko work, and deserves a lot of thanks.

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Do renko bars work in NT7 for backtesting? Or is that issue still around?

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If you use the WickedRenkoBars from this thread, you should be fine. The native NT7 RenkoBars do not work because they are missing data.

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Hi aslan,

I downloaded WickedRenko and tried to import it into Ninja 6.5 and got some errors (some namespaces seem to be different between version 7 and 6.5).

Do you have a version for 6.5, too?

Thanks in advance!

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Sorry, NT7 only for WickedRenko

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OK, thanks for the info. I'll try to migrate it to 6.5.

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aknip - You know NT7 is now available? - though it is still beta it is reasonably stable.
Why spend hours translating something that in 3 months will be redundant?

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mindset - you are right. I am already working with NT7 but for live-systems I still prefer 6.5. This is why I still try to develop in "6.5-mode" as much as possible to make sure that I can use all strategies/indicators/chart-types etc. in my live-environment, too.

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Sorry, NT7 only for WickedRenko

Hi aslan,

I have tried to import your WickedRenko into newly intalled NT7 B15 but received the following error message:

"Import failed. The NinjaScript Archive File may contain duplicate method names that already exist on your PC or there is a required file missing on either your PC or in the import archive."

I've read that "Any backup archive or NinjaScript archive created with Beta 14 or later will be incompatible with any prior Beta release" from here:

NinjaTrader Version 7

Could you help me look into it?

Thank you.

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mindset - you are right. I am already working with NT7 but for live-systems I still prefer 6.5. This is why I still try to develop in "6.5-mode" as much as possible to make sure that I can use all strategies/indicators/chart-types etc. in my live-environment, too.

Me too. I'm going to wait untill NT comes out with a public release.

Aknip, if you develop the wicked renko 6.5 please post it.

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Hi aslan,

I have tried to import your WickedRenko into newly intalled NT7 B15 but received the following error message:

"Import failed. The NinjaScript Archive File may contain duplicate method names that already exist on your PC or there is a required file missing on either your PC or in the import archive."

I've read that "Any backup archive or NinjaScript archive created with Beta 14 or later will be incompatible with any prior Beta release" from here:

NinjaTrader Version 7

Could you help me look into it?

From release notes:

"Any backup archive or NinjaScript archive created with Beta 13 or earlier is compatible with Beta 14 or later"

Well, when I read that, I would say that the version I made available is ok, as it was exported with B12, so it should be compat with B14 and up.

Did you originally put the source in another dir? Search your drive for the WickedRenkoBarsType.cs file, if it is in two places (i.e. also in the indicator folder), you are going to get this name collision error. If you find a second copy somewhere other than the Type folder, delete it. The zip file should be installing it into the Type folder.

Anyway, attached is a new zip file exported from B15. Hopefully that will work. If it does not, you can always take the .cs file fom the zip file, place it in your My Douments/ NinjaTrader7/bin/Custom/Type folder, then recompile any indicator and restart NT to pick up the changes.

Note: the attached zip file is the same code as before, only exported from a different version of NT.

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I identified an issue with Renko and WickedRenko.

Reported it to NT and got their "standard response" .

NT7 Beta 15, Templates created on other chart types not compatable with Renko!!! - NinjaTrader Support Forum

I do not think it would be difficult to "fix" WickedRenko.

Does WickedRenko's author want me to pursue this???

NT can keep their Renko!!!

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I agree with your last sentiment RJay about NT's Renko.. but I have a question for you:

Does SBSRenko for NT7 also suffer from this "issue" you have noticed?

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I identified an issue with Renko and WickedRenko.

Reported it to NT and got their "standard response" .

NT7 Beta 15, Templates created on other chart types not compatable with Renko!!! - NinjaTrader Support Forum

I do not think it would be difficult to "fix" WickedRenko.

Does WickedRenko's author want me to pursue this???

NT can keep their Renko!!!

RJay

I dont use templates, so I am not sure what is broken per se. I would be happy to fix it, if I knew what was wrong, but I suspect it is something deep in the flawed NT design.

The templates are basically an XML file that saves all of the options in text key/value pairs. The range and renko have different parameters, so I suspect that when you load the range parms onto a renko chart you are missing a key parm for the renko chart, that causes it to puke in NT.

If this is the problem, I am not sure there is any way to really fix this, as it is all outside the renko code.

The best way around it would be to use two templates, one for range and one for renko.

If you get any additional info, let me know, and I will take a look at it.

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Does SBSRenko for NT7 also suffer from this "issue" you have noticed?

If someone can verify that SBS does not have the problem, perhaps that would offer a clue.

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If someone can verify that SBS does not have the problem, perhaps that would offer a clue.

SBS does not have this problem.

After doing more research, there are more than one chart types that use different bar creation formats.

Renko, WickedRenko, and PointAndFigure are having the same issues. Unique bar creation characteristics.

I will attempt to make a version of WickedRenko that is compatible with time and range indicators.

I guess I'm the one with the "problem" !!!

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OK, Here it is...

The feature that creates different coloring of up candle outlines and down candles outlines has been removed.

This new version can now use the same templates as the overwhelming majority of other chart types.

After update, any previous templates created from a Renko or WickedRenko chart will no longer work with this chart type.


Close all WickedRenko charts before starting update.


Drag or copy this file into the type directory, it will replace the existing WickedRenko file.

Relocate original file if you want to save it!!!

Once you have replaced original file with the new one, your done.

No need to restart NT. simply open a new chart.

Aslan, if you want to create a new zip with this file, its your code, not mine.


RJay


Update:

I should have modified and posted your file from your previous post. I posted my version which has a code change to prevent the new bar creation sync at midnight.

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Thanks RJay.

Once you said SBS was working ok, I was able to figure out the issue (while you were posting your fix). I suspect the problem is the ChartStyleTypesSupported property, which limits the types of chart styles that can be used. When the template is loaded, they must be trying to make sure it is compatible, and it fails somehow. I commented out that routine. (NT Renko and PnF also do this).

The other change you made was to the ChartLabel() routine, and that was a bug, but likely had nothing to do with the templates.

The last change you had, that I did NOT make, was resetting the renko on a session boundary. Again, this likely does not have anything to do with the templates. I actually like resetting the bars on a session boundary, as it allows me to see the same chart each day instead of it being slightly different when I load new data each day. Feel free to change that in your version.

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Thanks RJay.

Once you said SBS was working ok, I was able to figure out the issue (while you were posting your fix). I suspect the problem is the ChartStyleTypesSupported property, which limits the types of chart styles that can be used. When the template is loaded, they must be trying to make sure it is compatible, and it fails somehow. I commented out that routine. (NT Renko and PnF also do this).

The other change you made was to the ChartLabel() routine, and that was a bug, but likely had nothing to do with the templates.

The last change you had, that I did NOT make, was resetting the renko on a session boundary. Again, this likely does not have anything to do with the templates. I actually like resetting the bars on a session boundary, as it allows me to see the same chart each day instead of it being slightly different when I load new data each day. Feel free to change that in your version.


Hi aslan,

No problem here!!

I should have posted your version with only the "template fix", not one that had my personal preferences.

Nice to see yourself and others taking an interest in chart type construction.

A year ago there were only NT and NT vendor charts.

Now there are at least half a dozen or more traders with chart type creation skills.

Thanks again for sharing,

RJay

P.S. I have removed my version from my previous post now that your official version is posted.

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hi guys .... I am not sure if this is the same type of problem as you described with Wicked/Median/SBS renko bars ...... basically there is some sort of bar/chart template that resets the bar formation at the set time interval ..... NT support says to use Session Manager to work out the problem, but still, the most I can go without resetting the bars would be a 7 day period which is controlled by this new NT Session Manager ...... I noticed that your modified renkos do not suffer from this problem ....... any idea how to solve this issue or a knowledgable volunteer with the magic wand who can make it disapear ?.........thanks

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In NT7, the Ninja guys decided that change the bar formation code to reset bars at a session boundary in addition to whenever a bar actually closes. Some people like this, some don't. Of course in their infinite wisdom they decided to not give you an option of choosing how to do the reset (many have asked for it).

The WickedRenko does reset on a session boundary, mainly because I don't want my bars to depend on the start date that is loaded.

If you want to change this behavior, there is a line of code near the begining of the bar type code like the following:

 
Code
if ((bars.Count == 0) || (bars.IsNewSession(time))
Change that to this:

 
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if (bars.Count == 0)
Save, recompile, restart, and you should be good to go.

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excellent.......I just need to figure out how to recompile @BarsTypes.cs ..... I know it's F5 for indicators when using Tools-> Edit NinjaScript ...... I can edit the file in Notepad but what needs to be done next? ....... obviously I am not a programmer

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excellent.......I just need to figure out how to recompile @BarsTypes.cs ..... I know it's F5 for indicators when using Tools-> Edit NinjaScript ...... I can edit the file in Notepad but what needs to be done next? ....... obviously I am not a programmer

You just need to compile any indicator, and the change will get picked up.

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thanks so much ...... I also had to restart the NT since it did not work immediately after recompiling ........

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I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing a problem with SBSrenko NT7 bar accuracy ...... basically, around the session start or finish I get a random bar with either wrong body size or tail size ....... I am reffering to the SBSrenko bars posted in the message #12 in this thread ..... if anyone is willing to share a solution to this problem I'd greatly appreciate it ..... thanks

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It's a known problem. You can try WickedRenko from aslan which doesn't have the problem.

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Thanks Mike .... I can relate to SBSrenko bars more than Renko/WickedRenko ...... I like to see continuity in the price movement and Renko always confused me when it forms a red bar after green bar with red(open) at green(open) instead at green(close)

when you say it is known issue, are you referring to NT7 or the bar file ...... it must be NT7 since I do not remember having this issue with NT6.5

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Who among you believes that ANY bar type makes the difference between consistent profits or losses?

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I have more luck with price-based bars than say time or volume based bars

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I have more luck with price-based bars than say time or volume based bars

Luck is the operative word.

Good _uck!

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I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing a problem with SBSrenko NT7 bar accuracy ...... basically, around the session start or finish I get a random bar with either wrong body size or tail size ....... I am reffering to the SBSrenko bars posted in the message #12 in this thread ..... if anyone is willing to share a solution to this problem I'd greatly appreciate it ..... thanks

zikonc,

Apply the fix in post 35 to any chart type that you don't want to see the new bar at midnight issue.

I have altered the code in all custom chart types that I use.

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zikonc,

Apply the fix in post 35 to any chart type that you don't want to see the new bar at midnight issue.

I have altered the code in all custom chart types that I use.

RJay

Thanks RJay,

I am using the file posted by gregid at the beginning of this thread ...... his file only has "if (bars.Count < 2)" statement so I had nothing to modify ....... I did make a modification per #35 on range charts .... Mike mentioned that SBSRenko (I guess in NT7) has been known to have this issue so I am stuck with what has been done so far by others until new versions comes along ......

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Thanks RJay,

I am using the file posted by gregid at the beginning of this thread ...... his file only has "if (bars.Count < 2)" statement so I had nothing to modify ....... I did make a modification per #35 on range charts .... Mike mentioned that SBSRenko (I guess in NT7) has been known to have this issue so I am stuck with what has been done so far by others until new versions comes along ......

Attached you will find my own conversion of SbSRenko to NT7. (I will not bother with MedianRenko anymore)
There is a numeric value which can be set at (1==reset at session break) (any other value = not to reset).

NT7 introduced cashing of bars for performance improvements, so keep in mind that "not reseting" at session break can cause unexpected results. Feel free to post any issues.

P.S. Fix in post #35 is very sensitive and I personally would not recommend using it on other bar types. It might have other underlying issues. As always - use at your own risk

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Thanks roonius .... I think somthing has to be messed up on my end since I am still getting the same type of errors ...... I tried your SbSrenko conversion with and without the fix from post #35, with different session templates, with reload of historical data (I deleted the records from Historical Data Manager and forced the reload) .... and I think that's it ...... I am using this little script to check for any discrepancies ...... hmmm, maybe NT7 support still has few outstanding things to work on? ......

public class bartest : Indicator
{
/* Variables */

private System.Drawing.Font textFont2;
private int barRange = 0;
private int margin = 0;

/* END Variables */

/// <summary>
/// This method is used to configure the indicator and is called once before any bar data is loaded.
/// </summary>
protected override void Initialize()
{
CalculateOnBarClose = false;
Overlay = true;
PriceTypeSupported = false;

textFont2 = new Font("Arial Narrow", 8); // FONT


}

/// <summary>
/// Called on each bar update event (incoming tick)
/// </summary>
protected override void OnBarUpdate()
{
if ( CurrentBar < 4 ) return;

barRange = (int) Math.Abs(Math.Round((Open[0] - Close[0]) / Bars.Instrument.MasterInstrument.TickSize));
margin = (Bars.Period.Value);

DrawText
(
"tick#"+CurrentBar, AutoScale,
barRange.ToString(), 0, High[0]+3*TickSize, 0, Color.Black
, textFont2, StringAlignment.Center, Color.Transparent, Color.Transparent, 0
);


if (barRange != margin && barRange != 2*margin)
BackColorAll = Color.LightBlue;

else
BackColorAll = Color.Empty;
}

#region Properties


#endregion
}

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Thanks roonius .... I think somthing has to be messed up on my end since I am still getting the same type of errors ...... I tried your SbSrenko conversion with and without the fix from post #35, with different session templates, with reload of historical data (I deleted the records from Historical Data Manager and forced the reload) .... and I think that's it ...... I am using this little script to check for any discrepancies ...... hmmm, maybe NT7 support still has few outstanding things to work on? ......

public class bartest : Indicator
{
/* Variables */

private System.Drawing.Font textFont2;
private int barRange = 0;
private int margin = 0;

/* END Variables */

/// <summary>
/// This method is used to configure the indicator and is called once before any bar data is loaded.
/// </summary>
protected override void Initialize()
{
CalculateOnBarClose = false;
Overlay = true;
PriceTypeSupported = false;

textFont2 = new Font("Arial Narrow", 8); // FONT


}

/// <summary>
/// Called on each bar update event (incoming tick)
/// </summary>
protected override void OnBarUpdate()
{
if ( CurrentBar < 4 ) return;

barRange = (int) Math.Abs(Math.Round((Open[0] - Close[0]) / Bars.Instrument.MasterInstrument.TickSize));
margin = (Bars.Period.Value);

DrawText
(
"tick#"+CurrentBar, AutoScale,
barRange.ToString(), 0, High[0]+3*TickSize, 0, Color.Black
, textFont2, StringAlignment.Center, Color.Transparent, Color.Transparent, 0
);


if (barRange != margin && barRange != 2*margin)
BackColorAll = Color.LightBlue;

else
BackColorAll = Color.Empty;
}

#region Properties


#endregion
}

1. I am not following what errors you are getting
2. My conversion should not need fix in post #35

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First, HUGE thanks ....... it works !!!!

Second, I removed and reinstalled NT7 and then installled your SbSrenko file .... it is only then I noticed that I was using a previous version from greg ....... I know I deleted his file and recompiled but apparently I always had his version come up instead of yours ...... the reason I say that is becasue in your version you have value 1=YES for session reset and I only noticed this option once I reloaded everything from scratch .......


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I agree that the "change" in post #35 should be used with caution. I have seen previous versions of the beta crash with that change (seems ok in current B15). Of course that means NT7 may still have issues. The problem is NT does not officially support it, so when you have an issue they are not going to fix it.

The other reason I would be careful is that you potentially get different bars every day you load data if you do not reset at the session boundary. Generally this is not too big a deal, but when you are backtesting you may get different results if you do not use a fixed set of dates. Even day to day, if you go back and look at your trades on a chart, the bars may be different than when you actually entered a trade. By resetting at the session boundary, it does not matter what day you start on, the bars will be the same.

I dont think there is a right answer in how to handle this part of bar creation, and it should be left to the user as a user preference (some platforms have this option).

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I agree that NT should leave bar resets as a preference, just like roonius did with 1=yes variable ....... I hope they'll implement this feature in future releases .......

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Aslan, thanks so much for the WikedRenko for NT7. I'm lovin' it! And renko is loving me too!!


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I believe these are not supported in NT 7, as NT 7 supports Renko Bars natively.


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Please see attached screen shot indicating weird behavior of MedianRenko_NT7. I know that Roonius does not support MedianRenko (not even in NT6.5) and I think the guy who ported it to NT7 did say use with caution - but I am one of the ones that thought it worked fine until I saw the attached screen - so I thought I should warn against it.

I know some people may want to apply the fixes applied to SBSrenko to MedianRenko - but I think there may be other issues as well.

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I noticed that Roonius SbSRenko conversion also works a lot more efficiently ...... on SbS v1 my CPU fan was working very hard on 2t chart where as now it runs and reloads with an ease .... thanks again to Roonius ......

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FYI to all,

I noticed this morning that WickedRenko on a 1 tick setting will not load a chart.

With current version, chart tick setting must be 2 or larger!!!

If anyone else can a chart to display a 1 tick setting, post your version or send it to me.

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I noticed this morning that WickedRenko on a 1 tick setting will not load a chart.

With current version, chart tick setting must be 2 or larger!!!

Works fine for me (normal posted version on B15).

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NT's Renko on a 1 tick setting, is crashing NT. Can you verify that for me???

Will replace WickedRenko file with yours in post 32.

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NT Renko works for me for one tick box size as well.

Did you remove the bar reset on session break code? If so, you might try putting that back, perhaps you have exposed an issue in NT.

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NT Renko works for me for one tick box size as well.

Did you remove the bar reset on session break code? If so, you might try putting that back, perhaps you have exposed an issue in NT.


Everything is working now!!! Sure is strange. Renko and Wicked Renko are tied together some how!!!

Thanks for your help!!!

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Thanks Roonius,

I use the 24/7 session default for my charts as I'm only trading 6E. In order to avoid over caching is there a data file somewhere that I can purge?


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Attached you will find my own conversion of SbSRenko to NT7. (I will not bother with MedianRenko anymore)
There is a numeric value which can be set at (1==reset at session break) (any other value = not to reset).

NT7 introduced cashing of bars for performance improvements, so keep in mind that "not reseting" at session break can cause unexpected results. Feel free to post any issues.

P.S. Fix in post #35 is very sensitive and I personally would not recommend using it on other bar types. It might have other underlying issues. As always - use at your own risk


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Thanks Roonius,

I use the 24/7 session default for my charts as I'm only trading 6E. In order to avoid over caching is there a data file somewhere that I can purge?

My Documents\NinjaTrader 7\db\cache

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Thanks a lot Roonius. Is it safe just do manually delete that file? It sounds like it is but I just want to be sure.. Thanks again...


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Can someone let me know how to load a (MedianRenko.cs) file. I only know how to load the zip files. To my Ninja. thank You

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Hi All ,

Mike has contacted me and highlighted the indicators and other attachments posted in this thread as something He would like put the Downloads section.

Can you come to a consensus and decide which versions are ready?

PM me if you need any help.

Currently BM&TheMods have agreed members can leave everything in threads posted, but it would be easier to search if a copy also resided in downloads with a link back to the thread.

Eventually we would like to clean up older versions from threads but that is a decision left entirely to the thread participants.

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I saw a version of MedianRenko earlier in this thread for NT7. Has anybody been using it or any other version of MedianRenko for NT7 that works?

I really prefer the MedianRenko bars over all other Renko bars but I it would be helpful to get some confirmation that someone is happy with their performance in NT7.

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I loaded the Median Renko bars from this thread but as soon as I did, my NT7 crashed. When I brought it up again, all of my charts would load except for the one that I was using MedianRenko on.

I'm hoping that someone has a MedianRenko (or can make a bar type that mimics the look of the MR) for NT7.

Any help is appreciated.

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Could WickedRenko be put in Downloads? BM felt it was ready.

Yes, WickedRenko can be moved to downloads.

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I loaded the Median Renko bars from this thread but as soon as I did, my NT7 crashed. When I brought it up again, all of my charts would load except for the one that I was using MedianRenko on.

I'm hoping that someone has a MedianRenko (or can make a bar type that mimics the look of the MR) for NT7.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Todd

Todd,

I too, copied MedianRenko7.cs into my NinjaTrader7/Bin/Custom/Type folder
Shutdown Ninja
Restarted Ninja
Created 2 charts
1: Range
2: Medianrenko

Connected to Zen-Fire (I know the globex isnt' open yet, but wanted to be ready)

Everything works jim-dandy!

Did you shutdown Nina & restart it after moving the .cs file into your type folder?

Maybe there is another bar type that is conflicting. Post the list of your bar types here so others can take & look & see if maybe that's the problem.

After all, it's what you learn AFTER you know it all, that counts!
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I have added it to downloads and gave you edit privileges.

aslan can you add a screen shot and description?

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Wizard,

Since we have a little time before market open, why don't you try disconnecting from live data and reconnecting to market replay data. I've done a lot of different things today but I think I got the crash when I connected to market replay data in NT7.

The other 2 custom bar types I have are SBSRenko and NoGapRange bars.
SBSRenko is listed as bartype Custom6
NoGapRange is listed as bartype Final2
MedianRenko is listed as bartype Final3

So they don't seem to be interfering in that way.

Let me know if MedianRenko continues to work for you in NT7 (even in market replay).

Let me clarify what I mean when I said "NT" crashed. I mean that it told me that an error had occured and it needed to shut down. When I restarted, it loaded all of my other charts except for the MR chart. When I closed that chart and deleted the MR bar type from the bin/custom/type folder, then everything worked fine. I didn't want to imply by "crash" that somehow it had totally hosed up my NT7.


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Wizard,

Since we have a little time before market open, why don't you try disconnecting from live data and reconnecting to market replay data. I've done a lot of different things today but I think I got the crash when I connected to market replay data in NT7.

The other 2 custom bar types I have are SBSRenko and NoGapRange bars.
SBSRenko is listed as bartype Custom6
NoGapRange is listed as bartype Final2
MedianRenko is listed as bartype Final3

So they don't seem to be interfering in that way.

Let me know if MedianRenko continues to work for you in NT7 (even in market replay).

Let me clarify what I mean when I said "NT" crashed. I mean that it told me that an error had occured and it needed to shut down. When I restarted, it loaded all of my other charts except for the MR chart. When I closed that chart and deleted the MR bar type from the bin/custom/type folder, then everything worked fine. I didn't want to imply by "crash" that somehow it had totally hosed up my NT7.


Todd

I'm running both MedianRenko and Minute ( 2 charts, side-by-side) now in Market Replay for May 3, 2010 (YM). Both appear to be operating fine. I can't confirm, since I don't have SBSRenko or NoGapRange installed, but would suspect it's one of the other bar types.

The only non-NT7 provided bar type I've installed is MedianRenko. You might try getting rid of the others, then adding one at a time back in, and then repeating the process until you find the culprit.

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Thanks, Wizard... I'll try that.

I'm hoping that Rjay or others who use the NoGapRange bars, etc will chime in and say whether they are using MedianRenko in 7, especially if they've used it without issue for over a week or so.

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Thanks, Wizard... I'll try that.

I'm hoping that Rjay or others who use the NoGapRange bars, etc will chime in and say whether they are using MedianRenko in 7, especially if they've used it without issue for over a week or so.

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RJay,

Do you have MedianRenko, SBSRenko and NoGapRange bars all installed at the same time?

Is the version of MedianRenko in the linked post below different than the MedianRenko_NT7.cs (same name) that is posted much earlier in this thread?

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I just tested the MR that Rjay posted. I tested a 2 MR bar chart next to a 1 min chart - both chart using CMI pivots. I tested them using CL 07-10.

In NT6.5, my MR charts and my NoGapRange charts had inaccurate pivots because the last bar of the day didn't necessarily end right at the session close which created an inaccurate "prior day close" which in turn created an inaccurate pivot.

NT7 changed something which causes the prior day close on the RNG bars and the SBS bars to be accurate. I've been told that NT7 cuts off the last bar of the day at the close of the session. That has worked great in NT7 for RNG and SBS.

However, I just tested MR bars and they are not cutting off at the session close so the pivots are inaccurate.. at least on my CL 07-10 charts.
This may not matter to those who don't use pivots but unless someone can fix this issue, I won't be able to use the MB bars in NT7.

I'll keep testing them on other instruments.
I like the MR bars best but I can't have them creating inaccurate pivots on my charts.

Can someone modify these bars to truncate at the session close?

Todd

edit - I just tested the MR bars on ES 06-10 and the prior day close, prior day high and low were very close to the 1 minute ES chart. Don't know if that CL issue is because of some CL data issues or what. With CL, there was one day last week when the 1 minute chart had a totally different prior day high than the MR bar chart.

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I just tested the MR that Rjay posted. I tested a 2 MR bar chart next to a 1 min chart - both chart using CMI pivots. I tested them using CL 07-10.

In NT6.5, my MR charts and my NoGapRange charts had inaccurate pivots because the last bar of the day didn't necessarily end right at the session close which created an inaccurate "prior day close" which in turn created an inaccurate pivot.

NT7 changed something which causes the prior day close on the RNG bars and the SBS bars to be accurate. I've been told that NT7 cuts off the last bar of the day at the close of the session. That has worked great in NT7 for RNG and SBS.

However, I just tested MR bars and they are not cutting off at the session close so the pivots are inaccurate.. at least on my CL 07-10 charts.
This may not matter to those who don't use pivots but unless someone can fix this issue, I won't be able to use the MB bars in NT7.

I'll keep testing them on other instruments.
I like the MR bars best but I can't have them creating inaccurate pivots on my charts.

Can someone modify these bars to truncate at the session close?

Todd

edit - I just tested the MR bars on ES 06-10 and the prior day close, prior day high and low were very close to the 1 minute ES chart. Don't know if that CL issue is because of some CL data issues or what. With CL, there was one day last week when the 1 minute chart had a totally different prior day high than the MR bar chart.

Todd,

Don't know if this will help, but I was having a different issue (can't remember what, now) & I changed my Session Template from <instrument settings> to Default 24/7. I don't seem to be having the bar problem you are. Maybe this will help ? ?

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You need to look at your chart, where that high comes from. The problem might be that some of the (non-supported) properties and methods of NT 7, in particular Bars.FirstBarOfSession and bars.Session.GetSessionDate() do have bugs.

So if your pivot indicator uses one of these, the problem may be elsewhere.



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edit - I just tested the MR bars on ES 06-10 and the prior day close, prior day high and low were very close to the 1 minute ES chart. Don't know if that CL issue is because of some CL data issues or what. With CL, there was one day last week when the 1 minute chart had a totally different prior day high than the MR bar chart.


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Wizard,

If I wasn't using pivots, I would probably set my chart session to 24/7 but the pivots require the accurate session to create the accurate session high, low, close.

But since you don't use pivots that might be perfect for your situation.

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Fat Tails,

Thanks for mentioning those things.

All I know is that RangeNoGap and SBS Renko show the correct prior day close but MedianRenko does not, in many cases that I've looked at tonight.

If someone could solve that issue or make a bar type that looks like the median renko but works better with NT7, that would be great. If that doesn't happen, I'll just have to be happy with SBS Renko and RangeNoGap bars.

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Is there anyone trading either SBS or Wicked in a strategy? Are the backtest results anywhere near realtime?

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Attached you will find my own conversion of SbSRenko to NT7. (I will not bother with MedianRenko anymore)
There is a numeric value which can be set at (1==reset at session break) (any other value = not to reset).

NT7 introduced cashing of bars for performance improvements, so keep in mind that "not reseting" at session break can cause unexpected results. Feel free to post any issues.

P.S. Fix in post #35 is very sensitive and I personally would not recommend using it on other bar types. It might have other underlying issues. As always - use at your own risk

Hi Roonius,

I was wondering if you would be able to help .... I am trying to reference SbSRenko bars in a multi-time frame strategy ..... I use Add(PeriodType.Custom6, 6) and I've noticed that I am referencing a chart with "1==reset at session break" where as I would like to use "any other value = not to reset" option ...... do you have suggestions on how to go about this? .... I tried adding Vaule2 = 2 in SbSRenkoBarsType.cs per attached image hoping I would force a strategy to use chart's default setting but this does not seem to work ...... any help is greatly appreciated .........

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In NT7, the Ninja guys decided that change the bar formation code to reset bars at a session boundary in addition to whenever a bar actually closes. Some people like this, some don't. Of course in their infinite wisdom they decided to not give you an option of choosing how to do the reset (many have asked for it).

The WickedRenko does reset on a session boundary, mainly because I don't want my bars to depend on the start date that is loaded.

If you want to change this behavior, there is a line of code near the begining of the bar type code like the following:

 
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if ((bars.Count == 0) || (bars.IsNewSession(time))
Change that to this:

 
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if (bars.Count == 0)
Save, recompile, restart, and you should be good to go.


Is it possible to use Aslan's variable lines above to reset at session break for the SbSRenko NT 6.5???

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Is there anyone trading either SBS or Wicked in a strategy? Are the backtest results anywhere near realtime?

This is another post that received no response.

I get the feeling that those of us who favor ATS over other methods are in the minority here.

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This is another post that received no response.

I get the feeling that those of us who favor ATS over other methods are in the minority here.

Well, a great number of people here are sharing their methodology when it comes to discretionary or mechanical trading.

If you want to encourage more ATS discussion, you could do what I and a few others have done, and create a new thread and post the complete source code to some of your ATS's that you have worked on and want to try out, then solicit feedback and improvements from the community. I think that is the best way to encourage more participation.

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Is it possible to use Aslan's variable lines above to reset at session break for the SbSRenko NT 6.5???

The bars.IsNewSession was added in NT7. If you want to do it in NT65, you have to figure out how to determine if a new session started, which in NT65 is not so easy (at least for me).

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Well, a great number of people here are sharing their methodology when it comes to discretionary or mechanical trading.

If you want to encourage more ATS discussion, you could do what I and a few others have done, and create a new thread and post the complete source code to some of your ATS's that you have worked on and want to try out, then solicit feedback and improvements from the community. I think that is the best way to encourage more participation.

Mike

That's a good suggestion, but I don't have any ATS that are currently in need of improvement. The one's that don't perform get chucked.

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The bars.IsNewSession was added in NT7. If you want to do it in NT65, you have to figure out how to determine if a new session started, which in NT65 is not so easy (at least for me).

From memory only, Bars.SessionBreak ?

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Hi Zoethecus, I cannot get SBSrenko bars to back test because Roonius' version requires numeric value greater than 1 to indicate data continuity instead of resets at session break...... see my post 2-3 posts above yours ...... I will not trade the chart I cannot verify ....... it's said becasue I started to like SBSrenko bars ........ I'll try using aslan's new renko bars but it will take me some time to get there ....... z






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I get the feeling that those of us who favor ATS over other methods are in the minority here.


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Hi Zoethecus, I cannot get SBSrenko bars to back test because Roonius' version requires numeric value greater than 1 to indicate data continuity instead of resets at session break...... see my post 2-3 posts above yours ...... I will not trade the chart I cannot verify ....... it's said becasue I started to like SBSrenko bars ........ I'll try using aslan's new renko bars but it will take me some time to get there ....... z

Yes, I know. I wish roonius would change that.

I am benchmarking a few renkos and the no gap range with the recent Aardvark strat and will post daily results in the Aardvark thread. It will be interesting to learn if any of the bars can produce a profit on that strat.

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hello all
sorry, I can only NT7 finally medianrenko NT7 running?


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hello all
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thank you

Please rephrase the question.

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hello all
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Please rephrase the question.

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I'll take Renko Bars for $1000 please..

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Hi, guys...

I'm testing out NT7 on a laptop and when I try to download, say, the WickedRenko bar .zip file for NT7, it imports okay, but then I can't see anywhere in the program where I can now access the Renko bars as a time interval. When I pull down the interval pulldown menu, it only has the minutes settings (1-60) and the daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly. Where is the Renko accessed from? I know in 6.5, there's a choice in the intervals section to choose your different bar settings and the tick settings. It's nowhere to be found. What am I missing?

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Try restarting NT

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Thanks, but did that. Still no listing of anything other than minute bars....

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