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Windows 8 RTM is out in the wild.
Anyone running NinjaTrader on it yet and can report back?
Any issues? Any adjustments needed?
In particular, I'd like to hear from users running multiple monitors. Can the metro interface be disabled entirely and give us a traditional desktop and start menu?
Not yet. It is not out in the wild either - currently it is a faked setup ISO (merged) - noone knows whether it is fully the correct one.
But it is only a couple of more days. I already got access to my activation keys for Windows 8 and Server 2012, both MAK (Multi Activation) and KMS (Key Management Server). I expect the ISO files to show up on monday for download (legally - I have access to the MS repositories due to SPLA status).
cool, let us know what you find out.. we should have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the previews that were released.. i think i posted about it awhile ago when the first one was out but im not sure.. has anyone had any problems with NT7 on the win8 previews?
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no show stoppers here so far. one thing is that title bar text is center aligned, so some things like SuperDOM title can be unreadable, but that is pretty minor
I upgraded my Windows 7 (Ultimate) to Windows 8 Pro (RTM) today and I noticed that none of my third party (Purchased) indicators work. I have not tried any multi monitor testing.
The stock indicators and those that were downloaded from NT Forum work fine. So far it appears to be only the indicators that requires activation from third party vendors.
The following was the official response that I just received from NT Support:
Hello,
Thank you for your note.
Windows 8 is not supported at this time. NinjaTrader will install, but various 3rd party features such as certain brokerage technologies and the 3rd party indicator DLL protection methods are not supported at this time.
We can expect support for this closer to the final release of Windows 8.
Please let me know if you have additional questions.
Sincerely,
Matthew
NinjaTrader Customer Service
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Interesting. Windows 8 is officially released for quite some time now - I downloaded my LEGAL copy from the MS licensing servers more than a week ago. Everyone with a developer account (MSDN) got it even earlier than me (I got it on the 16th). This weekend I was shutting down my bridgehead server in Chicago in order to reinstall the hypervisor with the RTM code of - Windows Server 2012. Pretty much the only ones NOT having access to Windows 8 these days are people that need to get it in a shop, all the others got it for quite some time.
Well Looks like anyone using Ninja has to wait quite some time now - until maybe Ninja 8 - for them to support Windows 8? I hate to say, this is quite disappointing. I was looking forward to upgrade my whole infrastructure including the trading machines.
this is tarded... ^^^^^^ how much do you really want them to do? 99.9% of their user base wont use win8 till its released(oct 26th) which they will prolly make good on.. im guessing the majority of users after that still wont be using it by the 1st of the year.. how much do you really expect them to do? if you read around there really isnt any problems with NT on win8 right now anyways..
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Maybe updating the technological bases occasionally. The problem would be less if they would have upgraded to .NET 4.0 2 years go or so, and if they would fix the "small amount" of installer glitches they have, installing files in locations MS has not planned them to do, among others.
Not really sure. I do software for a living for customers, and regardless of product plan, we always test even against beta versions to make sure.
Btw, you are TOTALLY off regarding their customers. There is this little detail called "buying a computer". Guess what computers in most shops will have starting October 26th?
i dunno man.. works fine for me.. also, they might even have a version 'compatible' with win8 before then, but im not going to expect anything out of them any soon than before its released.. since thats 2 months away i wouldnt get your panties in a bunch..
been a long day, running on fumes..
dont believe anything you hear and only half of what you see
name one piece of trading software that the devs of it have signed off on win8 'compatibility'... i still stand by my prediction of their user base not having over 50% win8 running by 1st-o-year.. #truth
dont believe anything you hear and only half of what you see
Friend of family (son in law once removed, sells for MS) showed me Windows 8 on his smart phone a few months ago. Knowing what it is I do he said I probably didn't want it--just reconfigures the desktop and a few other things (he said)--good enough for me. It's the "few other things" rather than the desktop that has me worried--Windows 7 is dumbed down enough without insulating me even more from machine code. MC claims no issues with it but altogether no interest in upgrading at this time. I'm sure NT will test soon enough.
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Have not seen that here Pete, runnning it on dedicated machine to test out but so far getting along well including some vendor license calls done. It's more me getting used to Win8 than anything else.
I am running NT on Windows 8 and everything seems to be working fine. It is on my backtesting machine. I don't trade live on this particular machine so I can't comment to that aspect but as far as backtesting etc everything is working. All my strategies imported fine and load with no issues. I actually find things including NT load faster on windows 8.
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I also are running on Win 8 Pro for backtesting - no issues at all with NT on Win 8. I also concur that it runs faster than Win 7 (not amazingly faster, but certainly quicker for me).
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The day before black Friday I picked up a new dell Inspirion laptop at Best Buy because they have a 30 day money back on that item . The new Dell has 8 gigs of ram which is double the ram I have in my old Inspirion and it also has a quad core and my old has just a double core . My old dell has always has a fresh copy of windows 7 that I install mysell because I format my hard drive about every 5-7 months to keep it running fast as possible.
Anyway after 5 days of using my new Dell and after removing all the bloatware I could find it actually has at least double the lag to open and close programs as my old Dell has. The next test for me was to run some walk forward optimizing in Ninjatrader, I do think it ran it a tiny bit faster although on a few of the more complex strategies It would still freeze my computer and I would have to do the old cont/alt/del method to close down Ninjatrader.
I decided well I gave windows 8 five days to wow me but it made me hate it so now its time to put a clean non OEM copy of Windows 7 in this new laptop and see if it the lag disappears. Found out you cant format your hardrive and install 7 once windows 8 has been installed there due to the new interface in it. Since I cant re-format with 7 and windows 8 is such a recource hog I will be returning my new Dell.
Quantismo
I looked all over the web for some trick to install 7 to replace 8 if anyone has done it let me know
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If it makes you feel better my other old computers (4) running WindowsXP outperform my newer i7 monster computer hands down. Seems like Windows gets worse with every new revision.
I am seriously thinking about buying an Apple desktop, although everything I have is MS material.
#1 makes Bill Gates piles more cash..
#2 makes the kids that stare at apps all day feel warm and fuzzy..
#3 for those that have the touch screen they can feel like they have the worlds biggest phone...
#4 makes me appreciate windows 7 alot more !!
* Much faster text Rendering
* Hyper-V rocks Finally also on Client.
* Storage pools. Great.
Lot of under the hood Advantages. Moved all my Servers over except some virtual machiens that insist on 2008R2 (TMG mostly - my Firewall). Never looked back
I have used AEOMI Patition Assistant for cloning to use Samsung 120GB SSD840 as System partittion (65GB) and Documents partition for strictly for Ninja(45GB). For me EASEUS didn't clone correctly.
However AEOMI's migrate OS to SSD ( difffernt drive) worked perfectly.
My initial review of Windows 8 was I liked it. But after using it a few months I really kind of hate it. Metro Apps are worthless on a anything other than a phone or tablet so I really just use it like Windows 7 but it has quite a few annoying things even on desktop part of the interface that get in the way more than help. My recommendation is if you are on Windows 7 stay on Windows 7
I use some programs to make things more like windows 7. But kind of dumb to buy windows 8 then use software to make like windows 7 by removing some of the irritations. I think Microsoft really messed up by not allowing irritating things to be turned off without third party software.
Sorry for overuse of the word irritation but I am not kidding there are some real irritants in windows 8.
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Actually you can make Windows 8 look like Windows 2000 (best UI ever ;-)) by modifying WindowsMetrics key and Fonts key.
I can detail more if interested.
Left: W8 with ClearType
Middle : W8 without Cleartype
Right : W8 with WindowsMetrics and Fonts keys modified .
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I have a laptop which I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 and I can't install NinjaTrader 7. The problem is that I need to enable .NET 2.0 and 3.5, and for some reason, no matter what method I use (I've tried 4 different methods) to try to install/enable .NET 2.0 and 3.5 I always get an error. Without those components, I can't install NT 7. So what I might end up doing is reinstalling Windows 8, but this time from scratch, instead of updating from Win 7 as I did before. My desktop has Win 7 and it doesn't have any issues. So I'm thinking maybe something with the upgrade from Win 7 to Win 8 is what is making it difficult for me to enable the .NET framework and therefore cant get NT 7 to install.
So I wouldn't say it's a NT issue, but more of a Win 8 issue.
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I'm sorry to hear your system is having some trouble! Is there a specific error it's giving you?
To share my experience on Windows 8 / NinjaTrader 7, everything has worked perfectly from the get go. I've had Windows 8 since the developer preview and have used it exclusively for NinjaTrader 7 since the developer preview was released. I'm now on the latest consumer version(bought it for the $40 promo price!), and still haven't had any hitches yet. I regularly use vendor-licensed indicators as well as Kinetick/Rithmic data feeds.
I should also mention that I use Windows 8 within Parallel's Desktop on my Mac.
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I actually ran into this a while after I made my previous post. I had downloaded some updates for Windows 8 and then NinjaTrader wouldn't open up. No splash screen, or anything.
It turns out there is one, single security patch that caused it. I simply uninstalled this patch: "Security Update for Microsoft Windows KB2836988"
After I did that everything was good to go. For anyone who runs into this you can follow these instructions:
Press your 'Windows' button to get to the metro interface
Start typing to search for 'View installed updates'
You'll have to highlight 'Settings' on the right hand side
Click the 'View Installed Updates' option
Locate 'Security Update for Microsoft Windows KB2836988"
Select it and then choose 'Uninstall'
Restart your PC
Start using NinjaTrader again
I'm not sure what this security patch covers, but I haven't run into any issues since rolling it back, nor have I run into any other Windows 8 & NT compatibility issues aside from this one.
KBKB2836988 Resolves a lot of WIN 8 issues. Too bad we can't apply it. No guidance from Ninja or update from Ninja that addresses this issue. Or is there??
Hi guys I'm getting ready to buy a new laptop and as soon as it's available I'll order a thinkpad w540. My question is do I get it with windows 8 or stick to windows 7? Primarily I use it to run Ninjatrader.
-the last post here was in august so if anyone can offer any insight I would greatly appreciate it!
It allows to substitute default font in applications allowing it (Office 2010), while keeping the font on the system for the apps needing it (task manager, Office 2013) etc..
3. Replace Explorer
I always felt that starting with Vista/W7, Explorer was being dumbed down (how to I find all source files named *.cs containing some text ????, impossible using W7 explorer)
I use Directory Opus as a replacement
Once you've done that you have a pretty decent W2000 experience on your W8 system
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I don't use Tuneup Utility anymore instead started using Iobit's Razer Game Booster
to disable some of window background applications to free resources without affecting to
the full function of NT7 and Chrome.
Also Advance System Care has been uninstalled but Auslogic Bootspeed V6 added.
With Game Booster You have options to disable Windows applications but to enable back
(such as print spool and Window language IME) you need system restart.
So all printing is done after trading or use Teamvierwer to print out from 2nd PC after transferring
files thru Teamviewer.
Cheers,
wahn
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Another cool thingy that was removed in W8 is the "Previous Versions" tab on files, that allowed you to access up to 63 previous of your files stored in VSS snapshots.
But you can still access the tab by using network access, ie \\localhost\c$
To create a snapshot, you can use vhsadow.exe too lfrom Microsoft.
in a script :
vshadow -p -scsf c:
And tada, new snapshot of c drive, accessible in Previous Versions tab....
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dont believe anything you hear and only half of what you see 
Looks like anyone using Ninja has to wait quite some time now - until maybe Ninja 8 - for them to support Windows 8? I hate to say, this is quite disappointing. I was looking forward to upgrade my whole infrastructure including the trading machines.
how much do you really want them to do? 99.9% of their user base wont use win8 till its released(oct 26th) which they will prolly make good on.. im guessing the majority of users after that still wont be using it by the 1st of the year.. how much do you really expect them to do? if you read around there really isnt any problems with NT on win8 right now anyways..
