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If you start the DAILY reports on a day where you started the day flat and run the last daily report on a day where you ended flat, and then ran a report for the entire period INCLUSIVE of the first entry and the last exit, would the totals of the daily reports then equal the total for the period report?

Mathematically there are scenarios where it would equal but not probable. The reason is that the trade pairings would be different if one had positions carried over from one session to the next and thus the performance calculations would likely generate different results.

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Sounds like you need to bust out your brokerage statements, and go trade by trade, day by day, until you understand the discrepancies.

What @NinjaTrader is saying makes sense. I think the next step is for you to consult your brokerage statements and identify the exact trades that are different, to better understand why it is happening.

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yes. those 2 numbers are equal but they are both incorrect. - not even remotely close-



Also I have even got into the discrepancy under the accounts tab. cash value 107k (approx) - yet realized number is -$150 and the cash started at 100k
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I have provided (I hope) a clear understanding of the logic behind the trade performance engine and how the input impacts the results. I have also provided logic as to why one range period results would be different than another. If you are comparing results to your brokerage statements, and they do not match then...

- If you carry positions overnight they likely will not since brokerage statements are marked to market, something a client side application is not capable of matching
- If you don't carry positions overnight then you must look at the input used (executions) to make sure the are correct and you have all historical fills in NinjaTrader
- Make sure commissions match by setting the correct values

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FWIW, I don't hold positions overnight and I never have any discrepancies with reporting whether I run daily, weekly or monthly reports... NT is always spot on.

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NinjaTrader View Post
If you are comparing results to your brokerage statements, and they do not match then...

- If you carry positions overnight they likely will not since brokerage statements are marked to market, something a client side application is not capable of matching


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FWIW, I don't hold positions overnight and I never have any discrepancies with reporting whether I run daily, weekly or monthly reports... NT is always spot on.

@dmau

Looks like the short answer is, if you hold positions overnight ....

Use your brokerage statement for accounting.

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I have not followed up with my support team on this case nor have I read in detail your post but I did want to offer up one point of understanding.

NinjaTrader performance reporting is simply a set of calculations of fills that have a time stamp within the date range specified. The first step in the process is to filter the fills and then pair them to form trades. If positions are carried over night then surely you can have different results since the trade pairs will be different if you change dates.

Example:
Enter 1 June 4th
Exit 1 June 5
Enter 1 June 5
Exit 1 June 5

In the fill flow above, if you generated a report from June 4 through 6, you would see two trades reported (Entry June 4th and Exit June 5th) and (Entry June 5th and Exit June 5).

If you generated a reported June 5th through June 6th, you would only see one trade reported where the exit on June 5th is the trade entry and the entry on June 5th is the exit.

As you can see, the result would yield different results. NinjaTrader has no way of knowing if a fill is truly an entry or exit thus it has to build trade pairs starting with the first fill as entry in the date filtered dataset.

I am not sure if this is an explanation for your situation but might help to understand what is happening under the hood.


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@NinjaTrader

I understand what you are saying, but if he ran a report each day and totaled all the daily reports, and then ran a report for the entire period (inclusive of all entries and exits) , the two totals should be equal, right?

@ThatManFromTexas,
Assume that both trades are long and winners of $250 each. The daily performance report for 4 June would show 0 trades since the long entry has no match. The daily report for 5 June would show 1 trade, a sell followed by a buy. This is a FALSE trade. The third trade is seen as an open short and is again not counted in the performance report.

Thus the individual reports could look something like this: Profit for 4 June is 0, profit for 5 June is -1000, profit for 4-5 June is +500.

But there is another anomaly that I cannot figure out. Comparing the screenshots 22/05-01/06 to 22/05-05/06 there is a net difference of 5 trades (42-37). But the reports for the individual days show 12, 3, 1, and 1 trades respectively. It seems that NT would be counting fewer trades on the individual daily reports, not more.

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@ThatManFromTexas,
Assume that both trades are long and winners of $250 each. The daily performance report for 4 June would show 0 trades since the long entry has no match. The daily report for 5 June would show 1 trade, a sell followed by a buy. This is a FALSE trade. The third trade is seen as an open short and is again not counted in the performance report.

Thus the individual reports could look something like this: Profit for 4 June is 0, profit for 5 June is -1000, profit for 4-5 June is +500.

But there is another anomaly that I cannot figure out. Comparing the screenshots 22/05-01/06 to 22/05-05/06 there is a net difference of 5 trades (42-37). But the reports for the individual days show 12, 3, 1, and 1 trades respectively. It seems that NT would be counting fewer trades on the individual daily reports, not more.

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Great quote!


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@dmau

I depend on NT for charts and handle order management.

I depend on the clearing house for accounting.

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Great quote!

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