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Static V Dynamic Dom

Hello all. I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the various Doms. I have just changed over to Amp CQG from Amp Zenfire, and find that I now have the pleasure of the ubiquitous "Dynamic Dom" where as for the last 3 years i have been using the Static Dom, now apart from the "obvious" frenetic movement of the price ladder:-

Can anyone tell me of any benefits that they have found from using the Dynamic rather than the Static.
Is the Dynamic a feature of other Platforms
Can anyone remember what the issue was between the 2, some years ago we were told that we would have to pay for using the Dynamic Dom because of a patent issue, or something like that.
Is anyone paying for the privelege of using one rather than the other.

Your input would be most welcome

Message to administrator. You may as well delete this thread and save space, obviously no interest in the subject. Thanks.


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Hello all. I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the various Doms. I have just changed over to Amp CQG from Amp Zenfire, and find that I now have the pleasure of the ubiquitous "Dynamic Dom" where as for the last 3 years i have been using the Static Dom, now apart from the "obvious" frenetic movement of the price ladder:-

Can anyone tell me of any benefits that they have found from using the Dynamic rather than the Static.
Is the Dynamic a feature of other Platforms
Can anyone remember what the issue was between the 2, some years ago we were told that we would have to pay for using the Dynamic Dom because of a patent issue, or something like that.
Is anyone paying for the privelege of using one rather than the other.

Your input would be most welcome

You can request from AMP to use the static SuperDOM if you wish. They will bump your commission by $0.20 per RT which is a pass through fee directly to Trading Technologies for the license of using the static SuperDOM. At the end of the day its a personal preference. I personally like the static better myself.

Here is some additional information - http://www.ninjatrader.com/support/helpGuides/nt7/static_vs_dynamic_price_ladder.htm

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Can anyone tell me of any benefits that they have found from using the rather than the Static.
Is the Dynamic a feature of other Platforms

Can anyone remember what the issue was between the 2, some years ago we were told that we would have to pay for using the Dynamic Dom because of a patent issue, or something like that.
Is anyone paying for the privelege of using one rather than the other.

Your input would be most welcome

I remember it well, it was more than a couple years ago. I don't remember when I first got my NinjaTrader DOM but as I recall NT had NO CHARTS in the software. The original NT DOM had a "static" price ladder.... the price level/range stayed stationary on the ladder and the bid and ask (with market depth) moved up and down the ladder. The static (stationary) ladder was/is the "thing to have" and the DOM technology spread like wildfire. The "problem" was/is the NinjaTrader SuperDOM trading screen infringes on TT’s (Trading Technologies) patents, hence the birth of the Dynamic DOM. For further information here's a link, NinjaTrader to License Trading Technologies' Patented MD Trader Technology | Trading Technologies International, Inc.

I pay NT $0.10 (ten cents) per side or ($0.20) on every trade I make with my Static NT DOM. I tried the "other" (NT) one when it came out, but I was hooked on the static version long before the patent infringement agreement emerged from the courtroom.

TT is the MAN when it comes to DOMs, and I believe this is why the NT DOM really hasn't changed much in almost 10 years, if NT wants to add what traders want, someone's going to have to PAY TT. More market depth, accumulated volume on/beside the price ladder and technical study lines from your chart displayed on the price ladder are only a few examples. But that's the DOM,,,, IMO, NT is letting the DOM die a slow death and putting their efforts into trading from the chart, that makes sense to me if you have to go through the TT patent lawyers if you want to do anything to your DOM. Not many changes in the DOM when NT7 came out, I was very disappointed. But remember this dee50, before I got my NinjaTrader Super Dom, I used the phone.

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Nope, I can't deal with the dynamic DOM.

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"We believe the evidence has shown that TT’s issued MD Trader patents are solid. This invention has proven to be of great value to traders by providing a more efficient means to enter, modify and execute their orders. Ninja plans to continue to offer and enhance its NinjaTrader product and SuperDOM trading screen pursuant to the license. We are pleased to have reached an agreement with TT on the MD Trader patents and expect our business to continue to grow at an accelerated rate," said Raymond Deux, CEO of NinjaTrader.
Extract from the article posted on 14th July 2005 on TTīs site.

Thank you to "Cashish" for reminding me of the issue and "forrestang"

I have tried to work with the Dynamic Dom but as a Daytrading Scalper I actually think it is a liability, I agree with the article extract that the Static Dom "
This invention has proven to be of great value to traders" What I can not figure out is, on a daily basis companies take patented products and produce an alternative e.g. DYSON and NO loss suction other devices, there are many technological examples of this TVs DVD players etc etc etc. Is the Static Dom so unique that it can not be more efectively replicated. In the meantime I take my hat off to Trading Technologies not for producing something technically brilliant, which it isnīt, but for stitching the patent up so thoroughly that all these great trading minds have not been able to come up with an alternative, for instance, a static dom on the chart and call it chart trader.

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"We believe the evidence has shown that TT’s issued MD Trader patents are solid. This invention has proven to be of great value to traders by providing a more efficient means to enter, modify and execute their orders. Ninja plans to continue to offer and enhance its NinjaTrader product and SuperDOM trading screen pursuant to the license. We are pleased to have reached an agreement with TT on the MD Trader patents and expect our business to continue to grow at an accelerated rate," said Raymond Deux, CEO of NinjaTrader.
Extract from the article posted on 14th July 2005 on TTīs site.

Thank you to "Cashish" for reminding me of the issue and "forrestang"

I have tried to work with the Dynamic Dom but as a Daytrading Scalper I actually think it is a liability, I agree with the article extract that the Static Dom "
This invention has proven to be of great value to traders" What I can not figure out is, on a daily basis companies take patented products and produce an alternative e.g. DYSON and NO loss suction other devices, there are many technological examples of this TVs DVD players etc etc etc. Is the Static Dom so unique that it can not be more efectively replicated. In the meantime I take my hat off to Trading Technologies not for producing something technically brilliant, which it isnīt, but for stitching the patent up so thoroughly that all these great trading minds have not been able to come up with an alternative, for instance, a static dom on the chart and call it chart trader.

I don't blame TT really for taking whatever advantage they can in a tough, competitive business, but whoever granted TT that patent should really be ashamed of themselves. The price ladder concept is completely non-novel and obvious (its basicly a spreadsheet with one column) and so is the concept of entering or modifying an order with one click (duh!). Actually its not the concept of the price ladder that was patented, it was the concept a price ladder that doesn't move (static), which is even sillier.


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My point exactly


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I don't blame TT really for taking whatever advantage they can in a tough, competitive business, but whoever granted TT that patent should really be ashamed of themselves. The price ladder concept is completely non-novel and obvious (its basicly a spreadsheet with one column) and so is the concept of entering or modifying an order with one click (duh!). Actually its not the concept of the price ladder that was patented, it was the concept a price ladder that doesn't move (static), which is even sillier.

Hear Hear. My point exactly. When my nose was broken, many years ago, whilst playing rugby, I found a way of breathing thru one nostril that enabled me to carry on leading a normal life. I wanted to patent this method but the Patent Agent I spoke to advised me that I would not be granted a Patent for this, if I had spoken to the agent that TT used I would by now be top of the Forbes list.

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"We believe the evidence has shown that TT’s issued MD Trader patents are solid. This invention has proven to be of great value to traders by providing a more efficient means to enter, modify and execute their orders. Ninja plans to continue to offer and enhance its NinjaTrader product and SuperDOM trading screen pursuant to the license. We are pleased to have reached an agreement with TT on the MD Trader patents and expect our business to continue to grow at an accelerated rate," said Raymond Deux, CEO of NinjaTrader.
Extract from the article posted on 14th July 2005 on TTīs site.

TT is just a bully, and will rather sue than innovate... that is what it appears like.. in any event, the small guys were quick to settle, since they lacked the funds to do battle.. the rest, are going to battle.. here is an article from a while ago that talks about the issue as well.

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I've never noticed, but what was the original intent of the Dynamic DOM? I would imagine just like anything else, if one stares at it long enough, they would become comfortable with it.

But what advantage was it intended to provide, or was the intent just to provide a different look?

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In My opinion...


the best version I've seen is what I used to have in Tradestation. I liked that the p/l updated in columns next to the bid and ask columns. When using along side chart trader the dynamic super dom seems fine to me.

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