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Unofficial NinjaTrader 8 wish list thread (NT8)!

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Market profile & volume profile & footprint.

It's becoming main stream.

However, I assume there'll be some problems btwn NT and 3rd party vendors who developed these profile functions.

For this reason, I doubt NT will ever make these profile type charting native (just my opinion)

I don't know what's in the contract between them but NT made a bad move when it comes to profile and delta stuff.

The way I see it,,,,NT makes "THEM" rich unless they get heavy cut off of sales from these vendors (I doubt this).

Why?

Because most of these products from 3rd party vendors can work on the free version of NT.

If you want to own both NT and these products from 3rd party,,,,now it's not competitive in pricing.

What others think?

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Market profile and Footprint charts are both patented (by CME and Market Delta respectively). That can cause some issues (like the user has to pay additional fees if he wants to use the Static SuperDom).



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Market profile & volume profile & footprint.

It's becoming main stream.

However, I assume there'll be some problems btwn NT and 3rd party vendors who developed these profile functions.

For this reason, I doubt NT will ever make these profile type charting native (just my opinion)

I don't know what's in the contract between them but NT made a bad move when it comes to profile and delta stuff.

The way I see it,,,,NT makes "THEM" rich unless they get heavy cut off of sales from these vendors (I doubt this).

Why?

Because most of these products from 3rd party vendors can work on the free version of NT.

If you want to own both NT and these products from 3rd party,,,,now it's not competitive in pricing.

What others think?


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Market profile and Footprint charts are both patented (by CME and Market Delta respectively). That can cause some issues (like the user has to pay additional fees if he wants to use the Static SuperDom).

I know they are but it's not like NT's the first one trying to get these charts going,,,if they do.

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Market profile and Footprint charts are both patented (by CME and Market Delta respectively). That can cause some issues (like the user has to pay additional fees if he wants to use the Static SuperDom).

The name is what you can't use, not the concept. So, call it a "Profile Chart" and a "volume ladder" like most do and you don't have to pay fees; it's that simple.

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My main NT8 wishlist item:

- instead of far away and extremely infrequent major upgrades, do smaller and incremental ones, much more frequently

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The name is what you can't use, not the concept. So, call it a "Profile Chart" and a "volume ladder" like most do and you don't have to pay fees; it's that simple.

@josh,

Not exactly true, with patents there are claims. It is these claims that are protected from implementation without licensing agreements. We would need to see the actual Patent. Sometimes it is listed as Patent Pending which doesn't mean one will be awarded but is usually a business tactic to scare way competition by the possibility of infringement. (Some companies file for Patents, which they know they will never get, just to mark the product as Patent pending).

Names tend to be Trade Marked, but you need proper filing and marking of your TM to "defend" it from improper use. Copywrite tends to protect the actual work, and close derivations of such work (software is a little different in it is usually the work itself that cannot be copied without permission from the copywrite holder).

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@josh,

Not exactly true, with patents there are claims. It is these claims that are protected from implementation without licensing agreements. We would need to see the actual Patent. Sometimes it is listed as Patent Pending which doesn't mean one will be awarded but is usually a business tactic to scare way competition by the possibility of infringement. (Some companies file for Patents, which they know they will never get, just to mark the product as Patent pending).

Names tend to be Trade Marked, but you need proper filing and marking of your TM to "defend" it from improper use. Copywrite tends to protect the actual work, and close derivations of such work (software is a little different in it is usually the work itself that cannot be copied without permission from the copywrite holder).

Are you an attorney njamc!?

Market profile has been around since the 80s, I think the word was registered with CBOT. I think there is a fee today, however Sierra charts calls it volume profile and it's not expensive. T4 has a big fee for using market profile.

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Are you an attorney njamc!?

Market profile has been around since the 80s, I think the word was registered with CBOT. I think there is a fee today, however Sierra charts calls it volume profile and it's not expensive. T4 has a big fee for using market profile.

IP is something I deal with on a daily bases, I work with various IP attorney's throughout my day.

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