there's a request for them to add linking by tabs, so that you could use specific colors on tabs and when you click a tab of one color, then all chart windows in the workspace will switch the active tab to the tab in those chart windows that are the same color.
can be useful when you say have a bunch of the same symbols in a chart window with different views (like say different time frames).. and you have one chart window per symbol.
Hate the fact that it has to build the map starting from when you load the indicator. I realize that historical data does not contain DOM info. Market replay data does have this information. Since the replay data is stored locally why not pull that data to build the map? As long as the user has kept the replay data current it should be able to build historical views which would be incredible.
Not sure if this has been already requested here, but it has many times in the official Ninjatrader forum too, pretty much since release. I can't trade price action on NT8, as I did on NT7 and other platforms. The feel/difference is huge when they are limiting chart updates to, at the very most, every 250ms.
So, I second this (though I think Ninjatrader are either not listening, think they know better, or unable to do it, given a ton of people have been asking for what must be a couple years now).
The ability to (volume) profile a custom range ( ie say a 10 bar consolidation on a 1 minute chart) is a bad omission on the otherwise reasonable order flow package.
Did you try the Volume Profile Drawing tool to accomplish this?
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1. Capability to batch-download larger Market Replay datasets, instead of one day at a time.
2. Enable capability to expose indicator parameters within strategies, in order to optimize indicator parameters from within Blackbird (Sharkindicators).
3. Native and efficient autotrader from visually programmable signals (Bloodhound, SharkIndicators).
4. A timeline you can commit to to complete each.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned the terrible Playback (Market Replay) control. If you want to playback a certain day, you have to 1) advance the start date to the day before 2) advance the end date to the exact morning you want and then 3) right click and choose Go To to punch in the date and time. A terrible UI.
On a related note, does Ninjatrader actually read this thread or are we all just complaining? Haha.
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I first posted on this in the "Ninjatrader 8 not ready for prime time" thread on May 4, 2018. I also posted a feature request on the Ninja support site about that time. I was not actually the first to post a feature request on the problem. You can read the post and a number of follow-ups here: https://futures.io/ninjatrader/41237-ninjatrader-8-not-ready-prime-time-24.html#post678668
Obviously, NT has to set their priorities about what they fix first, and they have had a lot to do. Also obviously, they have not fixed this issue. I assume it's not a high enough priority, which is affected to some extent by the number of votes given to the request (you can check out how to vote in those posts, if you want to.) They also clearly have to make a technical decision regarding where the most bang for the buck lies, in terms of allocating resources and time.
But obviously, we can do the same. (I'm on Sierra Chart now. Not just because of replay, but it was a -- small -- part of it.)
For the record, I still think NT is a good system, but you have to weigh the pros and cons of what's important to you.
Ah, figures I wasn't the only one, thanks for the backup, Bob.
I actually enjoy using NJT as I've found them to be quite responsive once you've identified the issue as a bug. They usually get it out on the next release.
But when it comes to redesign stuff, I can see it from their point in that it would take some time to do that.
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Polish and refinement of market replay is the issue at the top of my list.
Actual tick by tick market replay and real life integration of the order flow tools is fantastic training, imo. Being able to pull days from long ago (that Im sure I no longer "remember") is priceless.
Ninja....I'm telling you, focus on this training by making market replay easy, powerful, a like real life w the order flow tools...and youll have a powerful training tool. That training tool will bring in lifetime-licence purchases and get you the most bang for your buck.
Don't make it how you think it should be made, make it so that it is easy and just like live market (w adjustable playback speed).
...having said that, I understand realistic order fills is difficult (impossible) but err on side of being conservative w the fills.
Anyway, a lot of this is there. Polish and refine.
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About a year ago I made a modest suggestion for a feature change to replay, to revert back to the NT7 behavior so it would be more usable for the users (I found it nearly unusable), and it is actually on the NT change list with a number and everything. (There was an existing request already open, actually, so this added to the "votes" for the change.)
Unfortunately, there are other things on the list too, and nothing came of this. If you'd like to look into it, take a look at this link and, if you like, add your "vote" if you are in favor of it, as other people did. They do tally the votes for feature requests, I understand:
or you can make your own direct request on the NT board if you have something different in mind.
Since this is almost a year old, I doubt that anything will come of it, however, which is a shame. Different people find different things important, and I suppose this didn't appeal that much to the NT development team... and, of course, they have to prioritize things and they have had a big job with NT8, which is generally in good shape now.
I don't blame them, but since it was important to me, it's one of the reasons I left NT for Sierra Chart, which does replay just fine. I'm not bashing NT, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time waiting for them to get around to spending any time on replay.
(And, if they already fixed it and I just don't know about it because I don't use NT now, I'll feel a little foolish, but not very much. If they did fix it, it still took a long time.)
@NinjaTrader and the other members of the NT team are very good people, so, to repeat, I am not bashing them. But I am complaining a little....
if you could make the ATM's stay on the tab they are assigned to and not go to (none) once the one is active on another tab that would make me super happy
i've sent a message into you guys
-P
"Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie"-Miyamoto Musashi
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In Chart Trader, executing through the lastest versions of IB TWS, NT8 doesn't display live P&L or realized P&L when flat. NT's solution is to downgrade the broker software.
Add ability to Market Analyzer to work with End of Day data in addition to real time data feeds. Its strange to me that MA does not work with the free Kinectick EOD.
If you are referring to Market Analyzer cells updating in real-time on Kinetick EOD data then this will not work. The reason is that Kinetick EOD Free data is not a real-time feed. You would need to subscribe to Kinetick to have daily bars update the Market Analyzer as a new bar comes in.
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@NinjaTrader is it possible for you guys to add this right click menu feature (from the custom extendable line add on) to all the drawing tools. I always felt this is one of the features that had no improvement from NT7. There are also some third party add on features for one click color and style change that could be added. You guys did a great with NT8 on many fronts, but I think that this is one area that would be so simple to improve.
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I have forwarded this on to our Product Manager for future consideration. Thanks for the constructive feedback.
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Hello, i requested NT a while back on this and they added this to their to do list.........may be if requests come through, they might give it a priority :-)
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No, I am Raymond Deux, Founder and Executive Chairman. Can you please clarify via example what is not working so I can pass this along to our product management team?
Thanks
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How about a scroll lock that resets the chart back to scrolling after a few seconds. You can turn it off and on, but while its on if you do a scroll back it will allow you but will go back to real time scroll after so many seconds. Or at least an a colored alert if chart is not in scroll real time mode. Too many times Ive scrolled back to look and for get to go back to real time scroll.
You and the NT development team deserve heartfelt recognition for the significant improvement and enhancements in the Strategy Analyzer/Backtesting/Optimization capabilities over NT7, and even in the last versions of NT8.
Three suggestions/requests:
1. Please enable the templates saved in the Backtesting function to be accurately pre-populated in the Optimizer/WFO modules. It seems like it is designed/intended to do this, but upon closer examination, you will notice that the parameters don’t carry through.
2. Please consider enabling third-party add-ons to be accessed by the Machine Learning/Artificial Intelligence module.
3. Finally, please consider enabling the capability to batch-download Tick Replay data (more than one day at a time) from third-party data providers. You can perhaps even make that available at a price for data beyond what most third-party datafeeds are able to provide as part of their standard packages.
Hi,
Could you programme a platform for us Apple Imac users ?
( without the necessity of the Apple user having to use go between technology such as
'Wine' etc)
See the response I provided on the other duplicate thread you posted. Thanks.
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On item #1, we will look into that for our next update. On items #2 and #3, I have forwarded these suggestions to our Product Management team.
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I have requested this on the NT8 forums officially. Just wandered whether it was something the IO people would be interested in too. It's fairly standard on most platforms and I'm currently using a paid for 3rd party app to get the functionality. The paid for app is very good as it happens with great support but I feel this should be a native function of the NT8 platform and I would like to reduce the number of additional indicators I have running where possible.
Just in case anyone else was interested in using scroll wheel to zoom in/out without using a 3rd party add on. I bought the mouse below and it works very well, can set a macro for the scroll wheel to do whatever I want. I'm sure there are plenty of other macro mice available but not all allow you to program the scroll wheel. This one does.
I'm actually bewildered by the decision since the launch of NT8 to not enable TILTING of the chart by just placing the MOUSE on a FREE SPACE on the chart and DRAGGING the chart UP or DOWN.
I know it can be done by holding the SHIFT KEY - but it's an overhead many times.
On another note - I was wondering if Ninja8 empowers me with the ability to code and manipulate DOM (ladder) execution - so for example - I would like to create my own "ATM" strategy - say as I drag the mouse button across 6 levels of the BID side - a 2 LOT order will reside with 2 tick spacing - I shall icon the term and call it ("TICK SPRAY" and/or PIP SPRAY).
I believe that NT8, as well as NT7, right clicking on the Chart Trader panel brings a contextual menu with the option "Flatten everything". That should do it. That is what I use, anyway.
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Slated for our next R21, which is the next release likely no later than 3 months out.
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This option is 95% useless if you trade futures. I can't type NQ and get chart, I need to type exp date. I can use instrument list but it much faster with keyboard.
Total NOOB question. I'm pretty new to futures trading and am currently using the FREE version of NinjaTrader 8. Do I have to buy the LIFETIME LICENSE to utilize the best indicators and algo strategies? I don't really want to throw $1000 away for the platform unless I really have to. Thank you.
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I appreciate that. I guess I'm trying to understand why Ninja wants you to spend big money on a lifetime license when so many other vendors allow you to use their platform for FREE like TradeStation for example.
NinjaTrader does offer multiple FREE to use platforms in addition to leasing or purchasing a Lifetime license. You can compare the different licensing options here.
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Here come a few dumb questions. If I want to learn and trade Order Flow for example, I can buy something like Jigsaw and use my Level 2 data feed for their DOM and tools, correct or wrong without having a Ninja Trader lifetime license?
What about MBoxWave Trading? Or NeuroStreet? I guess if I get serious about any of these other systems, I can ask you (NT) or the specific vendor if I need a Ninja Lifetime License to run their products.
Unfortunately, I'm at the stage where I don't know what I need so I'm trying to proceed with caution. Thank you for helping.
Please get in touch with one of the broker houses in India and pitch collaboration, it can be very expensive to have both Ninja as well as Datafeeds for retailers here.
Right now lot of brokers are offering TradingView charting platform (cloud based), I think you are missing out on big piece of pie by not making in rolls by entering collaboration similar to that. Generally brokers here offer very unstable platforms or often very subpar ones compared to NT, TV and even Amibroker for that matter.
//I dunno who is reading this and this really might prove to be just rant at my end but its a good idea in long term. Worlds center in terms of finance is not always going to be US, in fact Indian derivatives market only recently became largest one, why not jump in?
It is great that NT offers Market profile and does a decent job at what it offers. The way it is right how does not help in identifying market generating information to be of any use. . With current layout i can only tell where the value is which is not enough to effectively use all the other market generated information that is so usefull when the TPO is Split.
The main main thing that it is missing is splitting the profile, where we can view a session with all the TPO's in separate columns. This helps in identifying more trading opportunities. Requested this and a few months back at NT website and would really appreciate if you can take this up.
one other minor that i would like to see is to the ability to select time frame labeling . (what I'm saying is, i would like to start label "A" at start of a session. example for ES "A" should be 9:30-10:00, not start at "B" as it is currently fixed)
Thank you.
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NinjaTrader does offer an Order Flow + Volume Profile drawing tool of which you can draw a start and end time of a profile, using this method you can set custom start and end times for your profiles. Additionally, if you find that you are splitting at a constant time each session, you can choose a session template to define a start and end time of the Order Flow + Volume Profile indicator. You can set up two new trading hour templates to split the day's sessions as desired and set up the indicator in this way. Please contact us at platformsupport@ninjatrader.com if you need assistance with this setup. If you need to define a custom ‘split’ time each session, which can be different from session to session in the indicator, then this is currently not supported at this time, and we do not have any near term plans to support this.
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Oh I see, I forwarded that request internally thank you for clarifying.
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I would like to second @sudhirc 's request regarding the ability to "split" the profiles as needed. I agree that it would be an extremely helpful option for users to have this capability.
I also posted the following request on the Ninja Forum pages several months ago. (when you first introduced these new "tools")
With regard to the Letters that are used to identify the different time periods, if this could be built in to allow individual user's a choice of what letters to use, I think that would also greatly enhance the overall usability for the end users.
I live in the US Eastern time zone, and I am used to seeing a B mark the first 30 minute period of the US RTH session,
however I am not used to seeing the use of the letter "U, u" or "Q, q" in the profiles.
Any profile indicator I have used in the past always removed these letters to reduce confusion between "U and V" or "Q and O".
Aside form these small "asks" I am very happy to see NT-8 with Market Profile indicators, it was long overdue.
Thank you.
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Thanks for your additional thoughts and comments TopGunNote.
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Have you considered adding a field to the chart trader when we define a new order to display the estimated margin used given the number of contracts entered?
I don't recall if this feature was considered in the past. I will add this to our list of future enhancements consideration.
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I was trying a simple strategy on NT8 with a third party renko bar and it keeps freezing. For 3 weeks was in contact with NT support various people kept trying the same fixes over and over nothing worked. So then i got the blame game, ferris wheel. Its the third party bars or indicators. Then it was the uninstall and reinstall many times no success. Then it was we don't know. Then it was don't use third party anything. Then it was your computer. Then it was your anti virus software. Then it was gotta call Microsoft. Its still freezing. Oops. Forgot the blame the fast markets. It was happening before the markets got fast. Forgot its you internet connection...too slow to fast ect....
This is what everyone says, and everyone says it because it is mostly true. To me, it's not as bad as some folks make it out to be, but it is certainly worse than it ought to be. It also depends on running 3rd party code.
The best way I have found to deal with it, is to wipe and rebuild your workspaces every week. Which sucks.
But I don't think this is a problem that can just be fixed without rebuilding from the ground up. Seems like these lags and hiccups are a problem with the internal data and thread marshalling built into the architecture of the program. Many have blamed it on being too reliant on managed code and .NET; perhaps that's true, perhaps not.
Bookmap deals with a ton more data than NT8 (i.e., full depth, which NT specifically disallows) and never seems to have similar problems. Jigsaw, too. But these are tools that do specific narrow things well.
I would love to know how many actual traders are using NT7 vs. NT8. I wonder if that would be a good survey question here on futures.io. But I suspect NinjaTrader might prefer we don't know.
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Could you say something to re-assure the NT7 users about NT7's continued longevity?
I sometimes worry there is a secret sunset date, or there is no real commitment to provide
critical updates to the product. For ex, say a new change to an existing adapter requires you
to upgrade the NT7 code, but you refuse to do that for NT7 -- basically forcing NT7 users of that connection adapter to upgrade by proxy to NT8.
I call this 'upgrade by proxy' -- because, well, you get to claim it's not your fault.
Isn't that what happened to certain Forex users on NT7?
How committed to NT7 is NT management?
What criteria and thresholds should we know about?
We have no plans to sunset NT7 at this time. We will continue to support it until such time that it is no longer economically viable to do so which is purely a subjective decision, there are no written criteria or thresholds that are used to make such decision. I suspect NT7 will have life for many years to come.
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Can you go on the record and say you'll give notice X months/years in advance
of NT7 sunset?
"Many years to come" is nice to hear -- but when you finally do announce a date for NT7 sunset,
how will you do it? How much advance notice do you plan to provide?
If and when we decide to sunset, we will be sure to provide as much advanced notice as possible to our remaining NT7 users.
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Hello all,
I am looking for a supply & demand indicator for NT8. I thought there was one under the "ama" Fat Tails, but is not there or has been rename. Hopefully I am putting this request in the right thread.
Any help is appreciate, Thank you.
Ok, found it , it's giving error mesg. saying "error on calling "OnStateChange"method.Object reference not set to an instance of an object. What does it mean?
Do you get these error? Can you share your setting on these indicator?
Sorry to keep asking and bothering you.
I need some help from someone knowledgeable in C#/NT8, as I am slowly trying to move stuff from 7 to 8.
This code fragment used to work in NT7. Obviously it is broken in NT8, but it is not strictly Ninja code.
public static int Iso8601WeekNumber(DateTime dt)
{
return CultureInfo.CurrentCulture.Calendar.GetWeekOfYear(dt, CalendarWeekRule.FirstDay, DayOfWeek.Monday);
}
Can somebody give me the syntax that works in NT8 or point me in the right direction?
Thanks.
Ray,
Using NT8 free version with NT brokerage. Is it possible to show the stops and targets on the chart without having chart trader? I don't want to initiate a trade from the chart or move the stops on the chart, I just want to see them since they get out of view in the Dom very fast.
Not through features that come out of the box with NinjaTrader.
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Are you referring to portfolio level backtesting or something different?
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Must admit I find it quite odd that options have been largely ignored from the retail trading platforms. I'd suspect that of the retail and semi-pro world, options are a much larger percentage of trading than futures yet options have been largely ignored.
Maybe it's a programming or data thing (I'm clearly not a programmer at all) but I've always been very curious about this.
Would be good to fix slippage calculation for strategies becose its not working. When i add slippage to strategy analyzer or whe i add strategy direct to chart and add slippage its not working.I dont see slippage on the Summary screen(i use market order).
TRADFESTATION like REALTIME and HISTORICAL datafeed for NINJATRADER8.
Full working connection of realtime and historical data feed Tradestation 10 (tickdata, second data, minute data...) to NT8, please?
Tradestation10 data feed works perfect into Multicharts.
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Hi,
In strategy builder when i set buy limit order close-X tick,after signal generation order is executed within that candle, when the price do not hit this limit order by second candle is canceled.Would be good to add when i set buy or sell limit -X ticks to add also cancel after X-bars,or cancel after X-minutes,seconds.
Thanks for this suggestion. I will pass along to our product management team.
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A built in Elliott Wave scanner similar to Advanced GET that in addition to displaying wave counts on charts but also the ability to scan for waves 3, 4, or 5.
Built in volume indicator with a gradient histogram, above average up volume dark green, below average up volume lime, above average down volume red, below average down volume pink.
The ability to unit test indicator and strategies. If I could send test-generated L1 and L2 data into a general method which would fire the appropriate events internally, I would feel sooooo much more comfortable taking several automated strategies live. Just give us a way to mock the application and access to feed data within a unit test project.
Hello Nt8 users... I have asked for the development of a new capability in NT 8. We all know that you can set your Stop, Entry or Target to a particular indicator. I would like to be able to trigger my Stop via the Slope of an indicator ( think Derivative). I can do that within a Strategy, but I would like to have the ability to do that via an ATM. Ninja development assigns a development number to ideas and then watches to see how many similar requests come thru to help them assign a priority. If you like the idea, please make a request to platformsupport@ninjatrader.com. The number that they assigned for this idea is SFT-1224. This plot is from a BOT that triggers the Stop with a change in slope of the HMA21. SlopeStoppic
Not just because of replay, but it was a -- small -- part of it.)
