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Seniors, Poor Are Targets of Obama Budget Cuts

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Seniors, Poor Are Targets of Obama Budget Cuts

President Obama will lay out new plans this week to reduce the federal deficit in part by seeking cuts to government programs for seniors and the poor, a top political adviser said Sunday.

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Yes, Thanks to the REPUBLICANS!

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Yes, Thanks to the REPUBLICANS!

Though I understand your position... I make it a point never to discuss Politics or Religion in online forums... it's a No-Win situation. I'm just sayin'...

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Politics and spin at its finest....

The first and most obvious question that must be asked....

Is there a "government program" that doesn't service the elderly and/or the poor?

Can you cut a single $ of discretionary spending and not effect one of those two nebulous "groups?"

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Though I understand your position... I make it a point never to discuss Politics or Religion in online forums... it's a No-Win situation. I'm just sayin'...

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Politics and spin at its finest....

The first and most obvious question that must be asked....

Is there a "government program" that doesn't service the elderly and/or the poor?

Can you cut a single $ of discretionary spending and not effect one of those two nebulous "groups?"

I rest my case...

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I rest my case...

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Sorry. You're right. I just cringed at the headline "....the OBAMA budget cuts". Like it was his idea. I think a more correct headline would have read:

"Seniors, poor, targets of the Republican-backed budget cuts"

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Sorry. You're right. I just cringed at the headline "....the OBAMA budget cuts". Like it was his idea. I think a more correct headline would have read:

"Seniors, poor, targets of the Republican-backed budget cuts"

Sorry, I can't let that one rest either. My response to this headline would be hooray.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping those that genuinely need it, but it's the waste that ticks me off. For example someone who can get a job, but it doesn't may much more then welfare pays can easily chose not to work. That is their choice, but I don't feel I want to pay to support that person. The person, that for whatever reason can't get a job, that's totally different.

Now, I can propose a simple solution for those who think these cuts are terrible: call your representatives and the IRS and tell them you'd be glad to pay the extra tax needed to keep these programs as is. If all those that think cutting these programs did that, there would be no need for the cuts.

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Sorry, I can't let that one rest either. My response to this headline would be hooray.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping those that genuinely need it, but it's the waste that ticks me off. For example someone who can get a job, but it doesn't may much more then welfare pays can easily chose not to work. That is their choice, but I don't feel I want to pay to support that person. The person, that for whatever reason can't get a job, that's totally different.

Now, I can propose a simple solution for those who think these cuts are terrible: call your representatives and the IRS and tell them you'd be glad to pay the extra tax needed to keep these programs as is. If all those that think cutting these programs did that, there would be no need for the cuts.

The following is not an argument in favor of or against the budget cuts. But rather a listing of the facts that are sadly missing from some posts in this thread.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but please make an effort to gather the facts before posting.

This has nothing to do with welfare reform. The last significant reform to Welfare came under the Clinton Administration.

The Budgets cuts being discussed in the article cut funding for Medicaid and Medicare not Welafare.

1. What is Welfare and who is covered?

A:
Welfare is government aid intended to help those with little to no income, including the working poor. Aimed primarily at families with children, older individuals, and those who are disabled, welfare can include cash assistance, food stamps, and Medicaid.

2. Are healthy young men who simply choose not to work covered?

A: No.

3. What is Medicaid and who is covered?

Medicaid is health insurance that helps many people who can't afford medical care pay for some or all of their medical bills.

Medicaid is available only to people with limited income. You must meet certain requirements in order to be eligible for Medicaid. Medicaid does not pay money to you; instead, it sends payments directly to your health care providers.

Those Covered:

Pregnant Women

Children and Teenagers

Person who is Aged, Blind, and/or Disabled

What is Not Covered

Medicaid does not provide medical assistance for all people with limited incomes and resources. Even under the broadest provisions of the Federal statute (except for emergency services for certain persons), the Medicaid program does not provide health care services for everyone. You must qualify for Medicaid. Low-income is only one test for Medicaid eligibility; assets and resources are also tested against established thresholds.


3.What is Medicare and who is covered?

Medicare is a Health Insurance Program for people age 65 or older, some disabled people under age 65, and people of all ages with End-Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure treated with dialysis or a transplant).

Generally, you are eligible for Medicare if you or your spouse worked for at least 10 years in Medicare-covered employment and you are 65 years or older and a citizen or permanent resident of the United States. If you arenít yet 65, you might also qualify for coverage if you have a disability or with End-Stage Renal disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or transplant).

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The following is not an argument in favor of or against the budget cuts. But rather a listing of the facts that are sadly missing from some posts in this thread.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but please make an effort to gather the facts before posting.

This has nothing to do with welfare reform. The last significant reform to Welfare came under the Clinton Administration.

The Budgets cuts being discussed in the article cut funding for Medicaid and Medicare not Welafare.

1. What is Welfare and who is covered?

A:
Welfare is government aid intended to help those with little to no income, including the working poor. Aimed primarily at families with children, older individuals, and those who are disabled, welfare can include cash assistance, food stamps, and Medicaid.

2. Are healthy young men who simply choose not to work covered?

A: No.

3. What is Medicaid and who is covered?

Medicaid is health insurance that helps many people who can't afford medical care pay for some or all of their medical bills.

Medicaid is available only to people with limited income. You must meet certain requirements in order to be eligible for Medicaid. Medicaid does not pay money to you; instead, it sends payments directly to your health care providers.

Those Covered:

Pregnant Women

Children and Teenagers

Person who is Aged, Blind, and/or Disabled

What is Not Covered

Medicaid does not provide medical assistance for all people with limited incomes and resources. Even under the broadest provisions of the Federal statute (except for emergency services for certain persons), the Medicaid program does not provide health care services for everyone. You must qualify for Medicaid. Low-income is only one test for Medicaid eligibility; assets and resources are also tested against established thresholds.


3.What is Medicare and who is covered?

Medicare is a Health Insurance Program for people age 65 or older, some disabled people under age 65, and people of all ages with End-Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure treated with dialysis or a transplant).

Generally, you are eligible for Medicare if you or your spouse worked for at least 10 years in Medicare-covered employment and you are 65 years or older and a citizen or permanent resident of the United States. If you arenít yet 65, you might also qualify for coverage if you have a disability or with End-Stage Renal disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or transplant).

Firstly, your point number 2 is just completely wrong. Welfare programs cover just about anyone who's willing to sign up and who qualifies. Food stamps (which is welfare) and many other obscure forms of welfare cover not only healthy young men, but immigrants and people who've never paid a dime into the "system." Secondly, you completely underestimate the gaps and loopholes in the system available to those who would seek to abuse/take advantage of the system. Do you really think it's that difficult to get disability?

Secondly, the merits of this argument are divided into 2 areas, philosophical and practical.

The liberal tactic is always to skip past the philosophical argument and straight to the application/practical argument.

I could make valid arguments all day long against welfare programs (in their current form) from both standpoints.

The second aspect is what's most relevant right now.

Even if you agree with the philosophy of social welfare nets and programs, the current situation just doesn't support it.

Liberals always love to claim conservatives are on an "assault" against jobs, welfare, etc. It's politicization at it's finest.

Just because you're in favor of reducing education spending doesn't mean you're anti-education or you don't care about education. Maybe you favor a return to previous, more efficient/effective policies. Or maybe you just accept the reality of the current sitaution we find ourselves, where we simply CANNOT afford it.

Even if you agree with Obamacare, the plain and simple fact is that we can't afford it RIGHT NOW.

When a father tells his children that they have to wear last year's school clothing and make due, it's emotional and short sighted to assume it's because he just doesn't care. A more pragmatic view would be that although it's important to him, it's less important than say, not paying the electric bill or providing shelter/food for his children.

Social welfare programs are at best, unconstitutional and oppressive (in their current forms) and at worst, they're going to bankrupt this country just like every EU nation that's standing in line to get international help. Unfortunately for us, there's no IMF, no world monetary fund, no G10 that can comes save us/bail us out...and printing funny money (as we've seen) isn't a long term solution.

The problem here is that all politicians have one single and consistent primary goal...to get re-elected. Period. So doing the difficult job of cutting spending runs contrary to that...as this thread is a PERFECT example of how it gets politicized into something emotional and self-serving, rather than everyone accepting the notion that even if we wanted to continue to pay into a broken medicare system, we can't afford to do so even if we all agreed that would be best.

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Though I understand your position... I make it a point never to discuss Politics or Religion in online forums... it's a No-Win situation. I'm just sayin'...

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Firstly, your point number 2 is just completely wrong. Welfare programs cover just about anyone ....

Never let facts get in the way of a good rant ...


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The Budgets cuts being discussed in the article cut funding for Medicaid and Medicare not Welfare.


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I rest my case...

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This is better suited for a political discussion board not a trading board. I will not waste any more of Big Mike's bandwidth .

I am out of here and will not respond further to this thread.

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