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Show of hands: Who here would like to be in Obama's shoes right now?! He said what the law says, but says he won't comment on whether it's wise to build it there or not. Why is it within the law? Because we believe in freedom of religious expression. It's the reason the pilgrims first came here. So if he says it's legal, but it "isn't wise" for them to express their freedom of religion, and he can get criticism not just from Muslims, but potentially from anyone who would say, "Who's he to say that I shouldn't, that it wouldn't be "wise", for me to exercise my constitutionally guaranteed rights?!
Or, we're seeing the effect now of him not even saying that they should, but merely that they're allowed to.

No wonder the best people don't want to go into politics...

Surprisingly few replies Jack, considering it is all over the news.
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And let us always remember who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for. Our enemies respect no freedom of religion. Al Qaeda’s cause is not Islam – it is a gross distortion of Islam. - President Obama
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If someone takes a hundred dollar bill and makes a bad photocopy of it, one gets a "gross distortion" of a
hundred dollar bill. It is worthless. Not even worth a 1/100 of a 1/100 of a hundred dollars. Therefore Obama
is saying in the above quote, that no Muslims were involved in the September 11th attacks. NONE.

If someone I meet says to me that he's a Muslim, I believe him. For Obama, this is not enough.

I think Obama was under pressure to say something positive for the Muslim side in the whole matter. One of his big problems
in all this is that he hasn't gone to church since becoming President (to my knowledge). I personally don't believe
that he's a Christian, but if he'd gone to church he'd have that in his history. Now about 1 in 5 Americans think
he is a Muslim. Up from about 1 in 10.

Growing Number of Americans Say Obama is a Muslim - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

It's not like this is the first mosque in New York City:

"...and today hundreds of thousands of Muslims, many whose New York roots go back generations -- attend the city's more than 100 mosques in the five boroughs."

Nothing new about mosques in New York - CNN.com

In conclusion, I think the problem with all this is that most Americans believe the 9-11 attackers
were Muslims, while others believe they were bad Muslims. Not true Muslims,
but counterfeit Muslims.

- Stephen

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Religion can get so silly!

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Obama is a traitor to the country.


That's all I have to say.

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I'm deeply ashamed reading this, Europe and the USA have fighted for our Western values. The Muslims have declared war against our common Western values, they want to destroy us, they show it in their terrorst attacks 911 and in Europe Londen/Madrid attacks. Every muslim living in the Western world that I talk to is deep inside happy what Bin Laden has done against us.

911 was the most important thing in my life on the same level with the birth of my daughter.

And now you are going to put a moskee next to it ?

Will somebody please shake that guy awake ? What is wrong with him ?

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Okay, I can't speak to how many Muslims that you know in the western world, and I'll have to take your word for it that they either told you or you know what they think deep inside, but let's just say I'm skeptical of it being what all or even most Muslims feel. And just as we don't condemn all Christians for bad acts done by one or a group, who even claim to have done it in the name of his god or Christ, to blame 1.5 BILLION for what 19, plus Bin Laden, et. al. did is wrong.
Now, I don't like that they're building it, either. But as our law says that they can build it there, what SHOULD we do? If they were denied the right to do so, they' challenge it in court and even a conservative supreme court would rule in their favor.
That's what makes our country great; what makes us better than others. It opens us up to stuff like this, but those are the principles upon which we were founded.

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Now, I don't like that they're building it, either. But as our law says that they can build it there, what SHOULD we do? If they were denied the right to do so, they' challenge it in court and even a conservative supreme court would rule in their favor.
That's what makes our country great; what makes us better than others. It opens us up to stuff like this, but those are the principles upon which we were founded.

The people involved should WANT to stop it now. One of the reasons, perhaps the only one stated for the
reason to build, was to encourage healing, blah, blah, etc. etc. Since recently, it is obvious that this matter
is just pouring salt into an open wound. If they really want to build they can indeed legally build. My question is
why does it apparently HAVE to be in this location. It's not about causing any healing at this point. It's
about winning.

With about 100 mosques in New York City I think Islam is being treated quite fairly already.

In Islam there are many, what they call "holy sites". The general public doesn't use that term in America.
But I think the fire fighters of New York City would use that term for this entire area, if the term was in common
usage. Hundreds of firefighters died on 9-11.
In Islam overseas, "holy sites" are given the greatest respect in any U.S. led war. They are to be
avoided during any bombing by the U.S. Air Force. They are respected in general as much as possible.

Just a little on the subject of what's legal and what isn't.
True story. The regular size Wal-Mart in the next town over from mine, wants to build a Super Wal-Mart
about 2 miles south of their present location in the same town on the opposite side of the road on a vacant area.
They would close down the old store.
Seems totally legal doesn't it. But they can't, at least for now. Someone or some groups are opposing it.

( I hope I don't get an e-mail that starts with "We've been very patient with you so far Stephen". It's been
my experience that letters that start that way don't end well.)

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In Islam there are many, what they call "holy sites". The general public doesn't use that term in America.
But I think the fire fighters of New York City would use that term for this entire area, if the term was in common
usage. Hundreds of firefighters died on 9-11.
In Islam overseas, "holy sites" are given the greatest respect in any U.S. led war. They are to be
avoided during any bombing by the U.S. Air Force. They are respected in general as much as possible.


( I hope I don't get an e-mail that starts with "We've been very patient with you so far Stephen". It's been
my experience that letters that start that way don't end well.)

I said the same thing up a while back. There are some things that stir up strong emotions this is one of them just like Pearl Harbor.

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All valid points. And I wouldn't be surprised to find that they do make that choice and don't build there now, not necessarily bec. they truly are trying to simply build bridges with us, but that PR-wise it's the best move.
And having 100 mosques is indeed proof that they have been treated fairly in the past, but that isn't at issue. That doesn't mean that we have a right to treat them "unfairly" now. That is to say, there isn't a limit to our legal freedoms, at least in terms of a quantity of times that a freedom can be exercised.

The only thing I would say is that the holy sites overseas are affiliated with an actual religion, not with a profession. So they are holy in the strictest sense, and anything with a religious association - rightly or wrongly, and for better or worse - is given special consideration in all applications, legal, moral and in issues of decorum.
But since we seem to agree that the problem here is with the Islamics making that choice, my point was why is Obama being put on the spot and accused of doing something wrong. I understand that people want - and even I might prefer - him to speak out against it, but again I don't envy the position he's put in to have to do so, both due to the building's legality, and given his role as representative of our country, and speaking, in a sense, against 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. I think it's right for him to simply say that they have a right to do it, and leave it at that. But that's me...

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