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Using IQfeed data, I was curious how Multicharts separated the trade volume coming in at the bid and trade volume at the ask. I had Multicharts side by side with Sierra and Ninja. Sierra and Ninja gave exactly the same results, and Multicharts didn't. Now I'm left thinking I can't use Multicharts for this kind of analysis.


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Can you provide specifics, screen shots, etc? Can you reproduce it? Have you asked MultiCharts what they say about this? I ask only because I don't believe MC does any sort of filtering, and for IQfeed they are using the same client as NT for the source of the data.

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Using IQfeed data, I was curious how Multicharts separated the trade volume coming in at the bid and trade volume at the ask. I had Multicharts side by side with Sierra and Ninja. Sierra and Ninja gave exactly the same results, and Multicharts didn't. Now I'm left thinking I can't use Multicharts for this kind of analysis.

Are you using 'upticks' and 'downticks' to get the data? You didn't really say enough to tell.
Anyway, if so it is exactly what it says it is: uptick volume and downtick volume. Not bid volume and ask volume.

 
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I don't think MC is able to track bid/ask traded volume at this time. Just up vs. down ticks.

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the only way I know to track it in Multicharts is Upvolume and Downvolume. I've attached a screenshot of the 1 minute Euro futures.

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the only way I know to track it in Multicharts is Upvolume and Downvolume. I've attached a screenshot of the 1 minute Euro futures.

Hmm. I just compared CL on Zen and IQfeed, I am not sure what to make of results. Blue = Volume Up, red = Vol Down. I think it might be a real-time only option from the feed judging from the lack of historical data on IQfeed? And missing gaps on Zen?





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Hi Mike.....is it possible to export 1 min data for ES 06-10 from IQfeed for last 1 month so we can compare it to Zen-Fire......it's hard for me to believe that two feeds would report different values ....... i always had a concern of "when they reported" and not "if they reported" ......

 
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IQFeed provides the historical bid and ask volume data. It is just that Multicharts doesn't show it. Sierra, upon opening a new chart of a symbol not previously watched real time, has all that data already there.

 
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IQFeed provides the historical bid and ask volume data. It is just that Multicharts doesn't show it. Sierra, upon opening a new chart of a symbol not previously watched real time, has all that data already there.

SC stores history data in their own database I believe.

 
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it's hard for me to believe that two feeds would report different values ....... i always had a concern of "when they reported" and not "if they reported" ......

If you ever spend some time comparing, it will become easier and easier to believe. Two different feeds will differ quite often. In addition, many people don't realize that two setups with the same feed provider will have differences in their data in some cases. Decent feeds are like a Monet... stay away from feeds that are like a Picasso.

 
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Decent feeds are like a Monet... stay away from feeds that are like a Picasso.

Thanks Richard.........if you don't mind me asking, based on your experience IQFeed=Monet? and ZenFire=Monet? or Picasso?.........

 
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Thanks Richard.........if you don't mind me asking, based on your experience IQFeed=Monet? and ZenFire=Monet? or Picasso?.........

It depends on what you want. Generally a 5-minute chart of price is going to be practically identical between good data feeds. It's only when you decide you want to know about all the trades that you start having to scratch your head. From what I've seen, it's probably safest to use a methodology that doesn't hinge on you knowing exactly what took place in the market, because it's apparent on investigation that you can't get that kind of precision from everyday data feeds.

I've not used IQFeed... lately I've found that my barchart.com feed has a lot more tick data in it than my Zenfire (example: Move the Markets • ZenFire vs. Barchart.com feed). For most purposes, eSignal, ZenFire, Tradestation, and Barchart.com have all been acceptable to me, with TS being the most questionable of them. As a point of interest, I found I got more and better data from eSignal when I connected from my parents' house in Oklahoma than when I connected in Texas. No wonder my clients from around the world kept complaining their charts didn't match mine! I did not care for TransAct or IB feeds, and would not personally use them again.

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I have IQfeed and Zen side-by-side. IQfeed has far, far FAR more "updates" (ie: bid/ask, dom) than Zen Fire, but is a fraction of a second slower. I can see Zen tick a 'last' price a fraction of a second sooner than IQfeed will.

So it will depend on what is more important, complete picture of bid/ask but very slightly slower feed, or incomplete picture of bid/ask but slightly faster feed.

It seems eSignal has been going down hill lately. Barchart is becoming more widely accepted for retail lately it seems, I've not used them. Based on my own personal experience, I would still rank it 1) Zen Fire, 2) IQfeed, 3) eSignal. But if bid/ask is important, then IQfeed is #1.

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Thanks Mike and Richard.....I use bid and ask so I'll give IQFeed one more try to see if it makes difference on my end..

at first IQFeed had me on some sort of simulated feed trial without even telling upfront so I have no clue what I demoed....I wonder what else are they not telling me.....barchart was randomly disconnecting in NT6.5 and they suggested I should work with NT on solution.......hmmmm, who is paying who here.....esignal was trying to sell me everything but the feed alone......I ran out of time ....or patience, forgot what happened first, so I moved on........

looking to short 6E down to 1.3400......it's at 1.3427 I think.......

 
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zikonc,

Contact Jay Froscheiser @ DTN IQFeed. His email is jay.froscheiser [ at ] telventdtn [ dot ] com. His phone number is 402-399-2816.

Tell him you want the hook up and to get it right He's a good guy and will make sure you are taken care of.

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Here's what Multicharts support had to say:

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Here's what Multicharts support had to say:

After you contact IQfeed I'd like to hear what they say. If you don't get resolution on this for sure let me know, I'll see if I get a different answer. Please contact IQfeed and see.

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After you contact IQfeed I'd like to hear what they say. If you don't get resolution on this for sure let me know, I'll see if I get a different answer. Please contact IQfeed and see.

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Hi Mike.....my reason for wanting IQFeed is to have a place to go to when I need my Gom files updated.....I followed Gomi's recommendation and decided to try IQFeed+QCollector combo....I was not getting any Ask/Bid in QCollector and wondered if there is an issue with the software.....below is the response I got from Dave DeLuca.......now, I understand if I was not getting Ask/Bid values because they had me on simulated feed but Dave was not getting those values either.......

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Here's what IQfeed said:

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In QuoteManager / MultiCharts I've got my data collection set to record 'All' which includes bid/ask, and I 'connect' to symbol and load QuoteManager on startup (it runs 24/7), so I think I am good and am recording all the info.

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In QuoteManager / MultiCharts I've got my data collection set to record 'All' which includes bid/ask, and I 'connect' to symbol and load QuoteManager on startup (it runs 24/7), so I think I am good and am recording all the info.

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Thats fine.......I did notice that MC has an option to record Bid/Ask..I think MarketDelta and perhaps Investor R/T have the same feature....I use GomRecorder to record this data in Ninja (thanx Gomi!).......but from what I got so far all the historical Bid/Ask data is something that the user should create/maintain.....it looks to me that data feeds do not offer this service.......

 
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Hi everybody,

I make a little investigation on this. I compare the feed with marketdelta IQfeed and I export the data. They look like this.

Why other platform aren't able to backfill askprice and bid price and others not.

-SYMBOL DATE PRICE TICKVOL BID ASK
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:20:19 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:21:32 1185.00000 5 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:21:33 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:21:35 1185.00000 6 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:21:44 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:22:00 1185.00000 5 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:23:21 1185.25000 10 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:23:59 1185.25000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:24:00 1185.25000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:24:00 1185.25000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:24:04 1185.00000 2 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:24:34 1185.25000 10 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:24:58 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:25:02 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:25:04 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000
ESM0 04/06/2010 18:25:04 1185.00000 1 1185.00000 1185.25000

 
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I chatted with someone else at IQfeed and he says they do supply historical bid/ask data:

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Using IQfeed data, I was curious how Multicharts separated the trade volume coming in at the bid and trade volume at the ask. I had Multicharts side by side with Sierra and Ninja. Sierra and Ninja gave exactly the same results, and Multicharts didn't. Now I'm left thinking I can't use Multicharts for this kind of analysis.

From what I understand the issue is that the CurrentBid/Ask is being read asynchronously. So the possibility exists for these to change while processing the incoming ticks. TS Support confirmed the issue and said they planned to address it in 6.0 (Release version, not beta).

Don't have enough posts to insert a link but a search of "IntraBarPersist" will most likely find the 3 page thread.

 
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From what I understand the issue is that the CurrentBid/Ask is being read asynchronously. So the possibility exists for these to change while processing the incoming ticks. TS Support confirmed the issue and said they planned to address it in 6.0 (Release version, not beta).

Don't have enough posts to insert a link but a search of "IntraBarPersist" will most likely find the 3 page thread.

Is MultiCharts capable of loading historical bid/ask data from DTN IQFeed?

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There has been some ambiguity in previous posts. I just want to clarify that, for it to be possible for indicators like the volume ladder and buy sell volume to work properly, the charting application does not need to provide bid ask SIZE.

What you DO need to know is: for each trade that is reported, whether the trade price was at, above, or below the current bid or ask. You DON'T need to know the actual value of the current bid or ask price.

If, for each trade, you can get the actual current bid and ask price as well as the close price, that is just as good.

Maybe I am missing something but still not sure from reading previous posts whether Multi Charts supports this, can anyone help?

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You are 100% correct Zondor, you only need the bid and ask price for each trade. Interestingly, this is exactly how IQFeed delivers their tick stream.

It has been a while since I talked to MC, so this may have changed, but the last time I talked with them they were not able to do this kind of analysis, but they claimed they would be working on it for the future. The problem is that you need to change the way you store tick data, so it is not a seamless change.

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You are 100% correct Zondor, you only need the bid and ask price for each trade. Interestingly, this is exactly how IQFeed delivers their tick stream.

It has been a while since I talked to MC, so this may have changed, but the last time I talked with them they were not able to do this kind of analysis, but they claimed they would be working on it for the future. The problem is that you need to change the way you store tick data, so it is not a seamless change.

I hope the MultiCharts programmers had time to work on Cumulative Delta Volume. Looks like they have all their energy directed to DOM.

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Hi,

I am pushing up this old topic.
I have MC8 and DTN IQFeed as a data feed.
Is there now a built-in way to have real Cumulative Delta in MultiCharts? [I have not found]
Or shall we use an external indicator? Which one is the most up-to-date?

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It is still not possible.

 
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It is still not possible.

Can you tell why not? Bid/ask data are saved in the QuoteManager (first level) and with MC8 all the DOM levels are available. Or is something else needed? [As you can probably tell, I'm not that well-versed in Cumulative Delta ]

 
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This thread is over 2 years old. I think the thread you want is:



Contact @SPMC, I believe he knows the most about CD and MC.

I am closing this thread to prevent a split topic, please use the other one.

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