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MultiCharts, MultiCharts, MultiCharts...

Well today after NT7 blew up on me again non-stop, I really got fed up and kicked into high gear.

I'm looking at Neoticker as well as MultiCharts. But this thread will be about my experiences with MultiCharts.

First, you can download MultiCharts here:
Trading and Charting Software for FOREX, Stock, Future and Option Markets

I'm running 6.0 beta 2 (the latest available as of this post).

MultiCharts is the same cost as NinjaTrader, at roughly $100/mo or $1500 for a lifetime license.

There are two major differences between MultiCharts 6 and NinjaTrader 7. First, MC does not have a DOM. No manual order entry. It does support automated strategies and executions, but for discretionary traders you'll have to rely on an external platform for order execution. Version 7 of MC should correct this. Second, MC 6 indicators are built on the EasyLanguage platform, whereas NinjaTrader uses C#.

For me, if I do end up switching to MC I will keep NinjaTrader open just for my DOM and minimize everything else, and rely on MC for charting. It's the charting in NT that is causing me so much grief lately. It also means I have to convert a handful of my favorite indicators from C# to EasyLanguage. I've started working on that.

The list of other differences between the two platforms is extremely long, but I have to make a few general observations.

Advantages:
- MC's interface seems very polished when compared to NT's

- MC is incredibly quicker, far far faster than NT. And remember, I have a powerhouse of a system (Core i7 overclocked to 4ghz, 12GB ram, RAID 0 drives w/hardware raid) so this speed improvement with MC is due to better design.

- MC handles multiple dataseries (multiple time frames) with ease. It's second nature. There is nothing to it. IT JUST WORKS. With NT7, it does everything but work.

- MC has its Quote Manager separated from the primary charting application. This means an easy to use "module", if you will, to manage everything to do with quotes/streaming data. It was a breeze to setup IQfeed continuous contracts and to tell MC6 to cache the data locally, as well as to define session templates (trading hours).

Disadvantages:
- My favorite indicators have to be re-written from scratch. C# is far more powerful than EasyLanguage, so the hobbyist in me, the one seeking an automated strategy that trades while I guzzle cocktails on the beach, well he'll be sticking with NT for that development.

- No DOM. Yikes! No more to say. You can't trade with MC alone if you are a discretionary trader. Huge, huge disadvantage. But rumor has it, MC7 will fix that oversight and is only a few months away. The question becomes: will we get a v1.0 DOM, or will we get a v7.0 DOM (how good will it be?). Sure, it isn't a huge inconvenience for existing NT users to just have a DOM-only open and trade MC charts, but for new deployments it would really suck, and besides, I want a better DOM than what NT offers and my hopes are that MC will deliver one.

Tie:
- Community support. MultiCharts can piggy back on the TradeStation community, since the majority of all TradeStation indicators work in MultiCharts without modification. NinjaTrader has an huge community as well though, and while in shear numbers it isn't as large as the EasyLanguage community, the community makes up for size with quality.

I'm just getting started, so I'll post more soon.

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More I just remembered:

It seems the MC engineers are actually good programmers. Look at their prior release schedules:

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OMG it's truly amazing. If you are as crazy or obsessed about software/engineering as me, then it almost gives you a naughty feeling just looking at that.

In less than 2 years, they've release 3 major upgrades and several minor ones. Hell, NT7 was promised two years ago and it still isn't out!

Someone else mentioned lack of community and momentum for Neoticker and I think that is a genuine concern. The MC forums pretty much suck, very disorganized and no easy way to share stuff (unlike here on futures.io (formerly BMT) ), but there is a huge community already out there of EasyLanguage indicators.

And as for momentum, all you have to do is look at the above release schedule, and it's easy to see they've got a lot of momentum.

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Re: MultiCharts, MultiCharts, MultiCharts...

Have you tried MarketDelta or Investor R/T?

 
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Mike,

Why don't you go back to NT 6.5 Better the devil you know..............

 
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Mike,

Why don't you go back to NT 6.5 Better the devil you know..............

Yup very true, except NT 6.5 had its own set of problems -- everything to do with the database -- it was causing me trouble nonstop. And I really need to overlay MTF on a single chart for my current setup.

Mike

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4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
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Yup very true, except NT 6.5 had its own set of problems -- everything to do with the database -- it was causing me trouble nonstop. And I really need to overlay MTF on a single chart for my current setup.

Mike

Mike, are you sure you won't change your trading setup in a month time.

My point is: is it really worth the effort moving from one set of problems to another?

 
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Mike, are you sure you won't change your trading setup in a month time.

My point is: is it really worth the effort moving from one set of problems to another?

My setup has been more or less the same for many months. Any small changes I make are not necessary, just from boredom.

I'm not saying MultiCharts is going to solve my problems, but I would certainly rather give my money to developers who deserve it, and to use a platform that is actually improving instead of worsening.

I'm also not saying that switching to MultiCharts doesn't have a sense of excitement and is part of the reason of wanting to do it. But, if the platform continues to impress me, then I feel more comfortable moving away from a company who doesn't listen to customers, can't fix bugs, and can't release products on time to one that does.

I've not switched yet And I may not. Time will tell.

Mike

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Need help?
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2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
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agree Mike,
I have been a fan of MC for some time, primarily their gui as you can keep as many as workspaces open and you can have 4-6 charts in each workspace. It is ONE icon in taskbar, but Ninja will spit charts all over and see many stuff in taskbar.

yes, MC handling multiple dataseries and multiple time frames is nice and they are adding zen fire recently.

 
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Since you are looking at it, two questions:

1. Does it have any type of chart trader feature? Or would that come with a DOM perhaps?

2. How well does it work on multiple monitors?

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