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I'm not prepared to allow MultiCharts to have special treatment just because I like them and just because I think they are good guys. Our guidelines are not perfect. But they have served us very well for over a year and I do not see reason to change them right now. If you want to discuss vendors being given special treatment to some but not all on futures.io (formerly BMT), that is for another thread...

For the time being, if you guys have questions that you want MultiCharts to answer directly you can private message them or if you post here then MultiCharts can answer you by private message and make a reply on the forum indicating they've done so, so it does not appear they've ignored anyone. You can also call or email them or visit their site, etc.

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I guess I will have to read the guidelines to better understand the argument ... I dont see how it would be construed as giving special treatment to a vendor whose product we are all interested on having a better understanding by allowing them to openly communicate their roadmap and upcoming features...

note that I am not saying that they would be allowed to get into a comparison of how it is better than Ninja, AmiBroker, Tradestation, Genesys, Tradevec, Ensign, MetaStock, etc... which would get into being then a one sided discussion and that would open the forum for flame wars and so forth... specially since in the end there are plenty of discussions already comparing the features and people offering their opinion (informed or not) as to how the product functions ... I am just advocating the subject matter expert (the vendor) to answer questions related to their roadmap like..

- What is the timeline for X feature to be within the product
- What are the planned improvements to your architecture that will address X, Y, Z
- What are the new features planned for B6, B10.. B100... MC7...

Questions not related to coding or optimization(how do I access DOM within code), as that would imply ownership and as such one could then participate on their forum and not here given that is why their forum is there; but rather dealing with a product feature set and roadmap that will enable our feedback (the actual end users) to be heard by the vendor, and elicit a debate or discussion on what features one would believe to be more attractive, which will allow them to prioritize their roadmap adjusting to customer feedback...

from what I read before you allow having someone seat with the vendor and ask all the questions that the group might want to have answers to, and then that person documeting the responses and posting them... how is that any different from letting the vendor speak as to specific questions... as I said, I will review the guideliness to better understand the intent... I dont see how it would be detrimental to all to be better informed as to funcitonality and feature of the charting platform...

look at it as follows.. IQfeed had a webinar over which they went through their product features and roadmap (limited as it was) ... how is that any different? There are other feeds out there for retail (depending on what you are doing) did you show favoritism by allowing Telvent to present? I didnt see it that way, I saw as those familar or not with IQF being able to educate themselves and understanding their product features and abilities..

just my opinion, for whatever it is worth... and I would assume that NinjaTrader could also answer similar questions... given a large majority, yourself included, flame the product and have switched.. and also why many are looking to switch as well... my last 2 cents I will add to this specific thread..

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I will be happy to discuss it. But like I already said, not in this thread. If you have questions about the vendor policy please create a new thread to discuss it.

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We are happy to abide by Mke's rules, and I just want to assure everyone that all questions will be answered.


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I will be happy to discuss it. But like I already said, not in this thread. If you have questions about the vendor policy please create a new thread to discuss it.

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We are happy to abide by Mke's rules, and I just want to assure everyone that all questions will be answered.

Do you have a users forum (like Ninja Trader, run on a vBulletin, or similar platform) where you answer questions?

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About 6 weeks ago I had asked MultiCharts to implement a public bug tracker. I am glad to say they have!

It's brand new so not much here yet. But, this really a great move for them. I think it demonstrates their openness and willingness to resolve issues. I had asked NinjaTrader for such a list a couple years ago and was told no, so I am happy to now be using MultiCharts

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I am only posting a screen shot until I get clarification it's OK to post a URL publicly. I was just shown this as I had requested the feature and received an email it had been implemented. It's nice to get those kinds of emails

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Gaps created by user error

My testing of MultiCharts has not produced better results than the NinjaTrader tests.

None of the programs is capable of displaying data correctly without the user tweaking it. Below two screenshots that show that MultiCharts cannot load data from Interactive Brokers correctly. THe gap on the CL chart is from Octobrer 13 to October 18, the gap on the ES chart from September 24 to October 18. With NinjaTrader at least the data was loaded, just on rollover days a negative offset is applied.

There are huge gaps (several days) on both my ES and CL chart, so I wil probably have to load the single contracts first and then change to display the backadjusted ones.

MultiCharts feels like NinjaTrader. You need to fight for every bar that you want to be displayed correctly. So I am not sure that I will win anything, if I change. I am a bit disappointed, because I am really fed up with data and indicators jumping around.

Edit: This was a user error, and I am not unhappy about it.

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My testing of MultiCharts has not produced better results than the NinjaTrader tests.

None of the programs is capable of displaying data correctly without the user tweaking it. Below two screenshots that show that MultiCharts cannot load data from Interactive Brokers correctly. THe gap on the CL chart is from Octobrer 13 to October 18, the gap on the ES chart from September 24 to October 18. With NinjaTrader at least the data was loaded, just on rollover days a negative offset is applied.

There are huge gaps (several days) on both my ES and CL chart, so I wil probably have to load the single contracts first and then change to display the backadjusted ones.

MultiCharts feels like NinjaTrader. You need to fight for every bar that you want to be displayed correctly. So I am not sure that I will win anything, if I change. I am a bit disappointed, because I am really fed up with data and indicators jumping around.

I think that maybe u have to abandon the idea that IB data could works good, instead fight with platforms.

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I think that maybe u have to abandon the idea that IB data could works good, instead fight with platforms.

I have used QuoteTracker (annual licence fee was about USD 30,-) for a year with IB data and never had an issue. NinjaTrader has some problems of converting daily data of Interactive Brokers into NinjaTrader format. The current problem with rolling applies to all data feeds and has nothing to do with Interactive Brokers data.

Please note: The fact that Interactive Brokers condenses ticks also has an advantage, as NinjaTrader never freezes and I can use many of my indicators with CalcOnBarClose = False settings, updating them intrabar. The Interactive Brokers real-time data is pretty reliable. The only inconvenience is that volume data is largely inaccurate.

The IB data loads correctly today and without problems into NinjaTrader, and I wil have to look why MultiCharts did not load it. Maybe my fault, but it cannot be linked to IB data.


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User Error!


Problem solved: User error

I need to select "Download Historical Data", when establishing a connection. For unknown reasons this option was disabled.

Main problem: You needs months until you understand all the details of a new software. It is a tedious learning process. So if I start with MultiCharts today, I will earliest be operational by mid-2011. LOL.

Happy that it was a user error. Means that MultiCharts remains an option for me, once the have added the DOM.

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