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Learning programming through University or online courses?

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LaissezFaire View Post
Good advice. Thanks. I think an actual course is a good way to go. I'll look into udemy.

Are you a proficient or professional programmers yourself?

Regarding your last paragraph, I realize that it will be a long way before I'm competent as a coder. Maybe I'll never get there either. But I do at least want to become good enough that I can do some smaller stuff on my own and modify the stuff I already have or follow what other programmers are doing.

Yeah, udemy is good. I've never done it, but I think you can actually communicate with the instructor (online, of course). You usually have access to your course videos and instructors for a "lifetime."

I'm proficient at what I'm currently doing with the language. I am not proficient at making pretty GUI's (graphical user interfaces), for example. I don't need those.

I'm currently 'stuck' in Excel VBA. I'm not a professional programmer--I started programming as a teenager.

I'm stuck in Excel VBA because I started prototyping algos in Excel years ago. One thing led to another, and I now have a model that lives in VBA.

I spent a lot of time conducting research and improving the algo ... in VBA. I'd have to stop that R & D to port it over to C++ ... which is my next move. VBA is just too slow for what I'm doing ... even with a powerful computer.

I've played with many languages, Excel VBA is the only one I'm 'proficient' in. I'm currently getting back into C++. Once my R & D and model has fully maxed out Excel, I can stop and devote everything to porting it over to C++.

Why C++? Speed.

If I were doing my research with Ninja Trader, I'd be learning C#.

Regarding my previous last paragraph, you seem like a sharp guy. I have no doubts you'll be able to do what you need to do with C#. I've played with Ninja Trader 8 ... the Strategy Builder is very limited ... C# is a must there, imo.

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Appreciate your comments, userque.

I have quite a bit of experience with Excel and am not unfamiliar with VBA. Most have been created for me by others, but I've done some minor stuff on my own.

Like you say - there are obvious limitations. Especially speed.


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Regarding my previous last paragraph, you seem like a sharp guy. I have no doubts you'll be able to do what you need to do with C#. I've played with Ninja Trader 8 ... the Strategy Builder is very limited ... C# is a must there, imo.

Thanks!

My only concern for improving is finding the actual time these days in addition to trading and other stuff. But in time, I'm sure I'll be able to get somewhere.

Best regards.

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Why not Python



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If you don't recommend Python for private use - what DO you recommend?

Thanks.

if you run into trouble with your Python-API program you need a $$$ support by Interactive Brokers
if you have a problem with Easylanguage or MQL5 you find a lot of support and examples from Communities .

I think 95 Percent of private users can solve all the problems with either Easylanguage or MQL5 or maybe C#
( I am not using c# )


Big Banks think they need some more sophisticated software like Python to compete and to look more smarter
and if someone can Python he is clever and good ......and they are able to pay a $$$ support. They are using FIX-API ...

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EasyLanguage

you can use EasyLanguage with Interactive Brokers : https://www.tradestation-international.com/global/

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Thank you, carofa!

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The language you use is trivial. If you understand programming you can pick up a syntax in a weekend and start being productive.

C# can't hold a candle to python when it comes to machine learning though.

A thinking person not knowing python to me in 2019 is just crazy IMO.

I would start with a udemy data science class.

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The language you use is trivial. .

do you have in C# a Pythonic algorithmic trading library like https://www.zipline.io ?

and do you know a Broker with Leverage 1:500 with a C# API/Trading Software?

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Not sure which language to start on either. It seems like Python is very popular these days. On the other hand, I currently use Ninjatrader which uses C# and have an application written to me in C#. I imagine the learning curve to be higher with C# though...

I am currently learning C, just for fun (and to sharpen my programming skills. I will learn C++ and Python after (not sure which one first).

The courses we use are from Learn Code the Hard Way. I highly recommend them if you want to learning Python. Python is often a starter language, because the learning curve is not as steep. My partner, a non-developer, is learning Python from this course.

If you are sticking with NinjaTrader, then C# would probably serve you well. As other folks mentioned, courses on Udemy are very useful. I don't plan to learn C# (useful for TradeStation), as we plan to move away from it.

For the record, there is nothing fun about learning C, but I'm a bit of a masochist in that respect. It is less about learning to program in C, as getting the discipline to code well. C is unforgiving, thus you learn the hard way to not make mistakes in coding or develop (pun intended) sloppy coding habits.

This will be a multi-year process if you do it right, so be patient with yourself. I recommend having at least two languages under your belt.

Good luck!

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I am currently learning C, just for fun (and to sharpen my programming skills. I will learn C++ and Python after (not sure which one first).

The courses we use are from Learn Code the Hard Way. I highly recommend them if you want to learning Python. Python is often a starter language, because the learning curve is not as steep. My partner, a non-developer, is learning Python from this course.

If you are sticking with NinjaTrader, then C# would probably serve you well. As other folks mentioned, courses on Udemy are very useful. I don't plan to learn C# (useful for TradeStation), as we plan to move away from it.

For the record, there is nothing fun about learning C, but I'm a bit of a masochist in that respect. It is less about learning to program in C, as getting the discipline to code well. C is unforgiving, thus you learn the hard way to not make mistakes in coding or develop (pun intended) sloppy coding habits.

This will be a multi-year process if you do it right, so be patient with yourself. I recommend having at least two languages under your belt.

Good luck!

~vmodus

In my opinions,

Few, would recommend starting with C. C is old school. You'll make it more difficult for you to later learn modern OOP and software design. Good luck!

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Once you learn a couple of languages, the challenge with learning a new language is not so much the language syntax, rather, learning all of the libraries and APIs you need to use to get anything useful done, as well as the development tools used for that language.

If you want to learn to program to help your coding, then start with C# and Ninjatrader. Python is great too, but not any better than C# for trading (actually, Python executes slower than C# for general-purpose computing needs), however, if you want to branch into machine learning and A.I., Python is the most popular language. With that said, none of the major trading and backtesting platforms use Python, except for the online platforms like Quantopian, but they are slow and you have to be OK giving someone the source code of your strategies.

There are pros and cons on each side...

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