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Can profitable active trades be made in ES after market hours?

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I am an aspiring trader with a job during market hours. Can the ES be actively traded, or day traded, after the stock markets closed or does it require actual movement of the S&P 500? If not can commodities and forex?

Yes and Yes

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I am in the same boat with a day job. There is usually movement but limited volume so it can move slow. Typical ES from Friday 12/24 attached.




Europe definitely picks things up when they open. Have been meaning to wake up to trade from 2-3 am for me but has not been happening. Still like my sleep when I can get it.

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G'day

Ive had a few shots in at the ES during Aussie/Asian hours its a differnt game completly, feels differnt, moves different. but everyone now and then you get some good moves be prepared to hold your trade for a while though and i wouldnt try scalping for a few ticks as its a bit choppy on most days. - Just from my observations i find i dont get stopped out as much during the asian time zone.

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When volatility is like this, yes. Otherwise, no. There generally has to be a reason for international players to be trading our futures in size to really move it around during the Globex session.

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Here is something quantified for you.



ETH trends, RTH mean reverts and half the move happens during the the ETH.

China and Europe is just as important as the US now and has being for some time.

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Very Interesting PeakGrowth, Thank for that post. Definitely some potential for some good trades there.

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Make sure you research your broker thoroughly. I wouldn't go near AMP if I were you.

Mike

Why is that Mike? I am from Canada and they are pretty much the only futures broker with reasonable commissions that would accept me as a client. I have had them for well over a year and haven't had anything to complain about yet.

Thanks for any info, sorry to hijack the thread, I am also interested in potential of Globex ES trading which is brought me here. It does seem to be more and more active, especially in Euro session.

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All of those are 24 hour markets so they can all be traded after market hours. The index futures follow overseas markets when the cash market is closed.

I trade ES after market hours - the main thing you need to consider is liquidity and volatility.

US Central time:
3:30pm to about 2:30 am - Asian session, which has terrible volumes, about 30 lots per minute and is untradeable unless you scalp.
2:30am to 8:30am - Europe session, which has much better volumes coming into the US open. From 200 up to 800 lots per minute coming into the close.

Best times to trade if you want volatility outside of normal hours is 6:30am to 8:30am for European close or 2:30am to 4:30am for European open.

You might be better off trading a currency depending if those times don't suit.

what do you mean by lots per minute? what is the best way to know how much volume a session has as I am looking at trading after market hours.

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Make sure you research your broker thoroughly. I wouldn't go near AMP if I were you.

Mike

Why would you say that?
Never had issues with AMP.

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PeakGrowth View Post
All of those are 24 hour markets so they can all be traded after market hours. The index futures follow overseas markets when the cash market is closed.

I trade ES after market hours - the main thing you need to consider is liquidity and volatility.

US Central time:
3:30pm to about 2:30 am - Asian session, which has terrible volumes, about 30 lots per minute and is untradeable unless you scalp.
2:30am to 8:30am - Europe session, which has much better volumes coming into the US open. From 200 up to 800 lots per minute coming into the close.

Best times to trade if you want volatility outside of normal hours is 6:30am to 8:30am for European close or 2:30am to 4:30am for European open.

You might be better off trading a currency depending if those times don't suit.

Excellent answer this is 100% correct

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