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Started:June 17th, 2013 (03:11 AM) by Nicolas11 Views / Replies:482 / 1
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Volume: still interesting whereas dark pools and hedging?

Old June 17th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Volume: still interesting whereas dark pools and hedging?


I would appreciate to have futures.io (formerly BMT) members' opinion on the following subject.

Some methods rely on the analysis of volume (often in relation with price): Wyckoff, VSA, Linda Raschke, divergences with volume or cumulative delta, ...

Some representations or indicators are based on volume : VWAP, volume profiles, ...

I cannot help wondering whether volume remains meaningful in context of:

- dark pools: lot of volume is traded outside of public market so cannot be computed, and

- hedging: are 10,000 contracts as significant if directional trading (no hedging) or if hedging / spreading with a correlated instrument?

Thanks in advance for any opinion!


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Old June 18th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Nicolas11!

Very interesting question! It may be hard to know with certainty if the non-public trading volume has an impact on analysis or strategies that utilize volume data. My instinct tells me that it probably does have some impact; however Iím not sure if itís meaningful enough to be concerned with.

The reason someone would be concerned with volume is because they think volume has some sort of impact on price (which may or may not be true). If volume is increasing without changes to price, then the location of the volume increase is irrelevant. At the end of the day, changes in price are all that matter, not volume.

Thinking about it from an arbitrage perspective: if prices within a dark pool begin to change without the on-exchange price changing, then arb traders would begin buying/selling at each venue to narrow prices (which increases volume in both venues). On the flip side, if prices on and off exchange match, then thereís no opportunity for arb traders, so volumes shouldnít be impacted. There is a trading opportunity here, but good luck competing with the ultra-fast arb guys!


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