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Hi Leute
ich kann bei meinem Datenanbieter (Prorealtime) bei folgendem Punkt - "Datenhistorie Rollover angepasst"
ein Häkchen setzen oder eben nicht, heraus kommen zwei völlig verschiedene Charts, unter anderem mit verschiedenen Alltimehighs (Bsp. Fdax Monatschart Endloskontrakt).
Ich bin mir nicht sicher welche Variante man bevorzugen sollte, die Unterschiede sind ja nicht gerade im Tickbereich.

Freu mich über Eure Meinung, Gruß
P.s.: Die Unterschiede gibt es natürlich auch in den anderen Märkten

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Hier das ganze nochmal für den Bund Tageschart.

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und ES Monatschart.

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Hallo Only!

Da eben mal abwarten, ob einem was dazu einfällt. Ich selbst habe diese Option nicht im Ninjatrader - oder ich verstehe sie nicht als das, was sie ist, weil diese sich dort anders nennt oder so.

Muss dazu auch gestehen, dass ich als größten Chart den M60/H1 habe, und das nur als kleinen Ausschnitt. Daher nehme ich einfach alles so, wie es sich ergibt. Im Handels-Chart nutze ich auch Tages-, Wochen- und Monatspivots, doch ist dieser von sehr kleiner Zeiteinheit. Daher mag mich dieses Thema vielleicht nicht so interessieren.

Was ich nicht ganz verstehe: ich muss ein Instrument, wie zum Beispiel CL, jeden Monat auf den nächsten Kontrakt umstellen. Das mache ich dann auf allen eingebundenen Charts und Tools. Hierbei findet dann wahrscheinlich kein solches Manöver statt, wie Du es beschreibst, also diese Anpassung - oder? Ich frage mich, wie dieses Zusammenkitten, denn genau darauf dürfte es ja hinauslaufen, funktionieren soll/berechnet wird. So wirklich erschließt sich mir das Verfahren nicht, wenn ich mir die Charts von Dir anschaue.

Schönen Gruß,
Renkotrader

Nachtrag: Merge Policy" heißt wohl das Thema beim Ninjatrader. Doch ich weiss nicht, was hier besser ist. Ich habe es auf "DoNotMerge" stehen. Gibt noch "MergeBackAdjusted" und "MergeNonBackAdjusted".


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Nachtrag: Merge Policy" heißt wohl das Thema beim Ninjatrader. Doch ich weiss nicht, was hier besser ist. Ich habe es auf "DoNotMerge" stehen. Gibt noch "MergeBackAdjusted" und "MergeNonBackAdjusted".

@Renkotrader:

Exakt, "DoNotMerge" ist die richtige Wahl bei den meisten Instrumenten, und speziell Rohstoffe, Metalle und Energien bereiten manchmal Probleme, wenn man die Merge Policy auf einen anderen Wert einstellt.

Das liegt daran, dass die Rollover Dates manchmal in NT einfach nicht korrekt sind und sich dadurch schon mal ein "Chart-Mischmasch" ergeben kann (war u.a. beim vorletzten CL Rollover übrigens auch wieder der Fall).

Außerdem gibts hier auf futures.io (formerly BMT) auch ein paar Threads zu dem Thema...

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Hallo Daytrader999,

danke für die Info. Hab was von Fat Tails drüber gelesen. Ist gedoch in Deutsch wirklich verständlicher - zumindest für mich.

Was bedeuten denn "Adjust for Splits" und "Adjust for Dividends"? Ich habe beide Optionen nicht aktiviert. "Get data from Server" habe ich aktiviert, weil sich das gut angehört hat oder so. Weiss jedoch nicht, was das nun genau bewirkt.

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Was bedeuten denn "Adjust for Splits" und "Adjust for Dividends"? Ich habe beide Optionen nicht aktiviert. "Get data from Server" habe ich aktiviert, weil sich das gut angehört hat oder so. Weiss jedoch nicht, was das nun genau bewirkt.

Die Erklärungen dafür kann ich dir leider auch nur in Englisch liefern:

Die Splits and Dividends Definitionen habe ich mal als Anlage beigefügt.

Merge Policy

The Merge policy option can be found in the Data tab of the Options menu and sets how NinjaTrader handles the merging of historical data for futures contracts.

MergeBackAdjusted

Selecting this option uses data from each individual expiry month across the time span of the historical data requested. Offset* values will also be used to back adjust the historical data to match the next front month.
For example: If requesting a chart of the ES 09-10 from June 1st through July 1st, two contract months were the front month during that time span (06-10 and 09-10). The 06-10 data will be merged with the 09-10 data and an Offset value will be used to connect the last 06-10 contract data point with the first 09-10 contract point. The result is a continuous chart of ES front month data for the dates selected.

*More information on Offsets can be found in the Editing Instruments section of the Help Guide.

MergeNonBackAdjusted

Selecting this option uses data from each individual expiry month across the time span of the historical data requested. Offset values are NOT used and leaves historical data as raw data.
For example: If requesting a chart of the ES 09-10 from June 1st through July 1st, two contract month were the front month during that time span (06-10 and 09-10). The 06-10 data will be merged with the 09-10 data; however, NO Offset value will be applied. The result is a continuous chart of ES front month data for the dates selected.Significant price gaps in the chart may be present due to changes in contract values that were NOT Offset.

DoNotMerge

Selecting this option will not merge any data and only show historical data for the front month selected.
For example: If requesting a chart of the ES 09-10 from June 1st through July 1st, two contract month were the front month during that time span (06-10 and 09-10). The 06-10 data will NOT be merged and only data for the 09-10 contract will be used. The result is a chart that goes as far back as there is data for the selected front month, which may be less than the requested date range.

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Hi Daytrader999,

das bedeutet also, dass Split & Dividend mich nur dann interessieren, wenn ich die Kurse zum Backtesten brauche? oder macht das auch ohne Backtests Sinn?

Renkotrader

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Hmmm, also wenn ich denn mal etwas backteste, kreuze ich diese Optionen auch nicht an...ich habe bisher auch noch nirgendwo gesehen, dass man das machen sollte.
Das müsste dann vielleicht mal jemand erklären, der mehr davon versteht...

Übrigens bedeutet "Get data from server", dass auch historische Daten von deinem Datenprovider geladen werden sollen (wenn du z.B. in DataSeries mehr als 3 Tage bei Days to load angibst).

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Hi Daytrader999,

ja, mit diesen Infos kann ich erst mal leben

Viele Grüße,
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