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Me too. I have a lot of thoughts about that entire aspect of the site. I do not want to just make a singular change, I want to enhance the entire category of post ranking and helpfulness.

I've mentioned this before. I am working out a vision in my mind and I certainly am accepting feedback. But I want to make changes that will:

- Incentivize/encourage members to help other members
- Particular encouragement to answer "unanswered question" threads
- Replace 'Thanks' with standard Like button
- Something like a Heart button should be backed up with something of value, like to give a Heart "costs" something
- Posts with hearts are highlighted in some way
- Highest "heart" posts in a thread should be elevated in some way

More... but my coffee is getting cold!

Mike

Sounds good... in the meantime I think I will start that thread at some point soon. So when a real nugget comes up we can copy and paste it if nothing else.

Craig

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Sounds good... in the meantime I think I will start that thread at some point soon. So when a real nugget comes up we can copy and paste it if nothing else.

Craig

Check with @Rrrracer I think he had one going.

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Me too. I have a lot of thoughts about that entire aspect of the site. I do not want to just make a singular change, I want to enhance the entire category of post ranking and helpfulness.

I've mentioned this before. I am working out a vision in my mind and I certainly am accepting feedback. But I want to make changes that will:

- Incentivize/encourage members to help other members
- Particular encouragement to answer "unanswered question" threads
- Replace 'Thanks' with standard Like button
- Something like a Heart button should be backed up with something of value, like to give a Heart "costs" something
- Posts with hearts are highlighted in some way
- Highest "heart" posts in a thread should be elevated in some way

More... but my coffee is getting cold!

Mike

@Big Mike, I really dig @Blue Eagle's idea here, because there are some members who go above and beyond with sharing their experience and actually change the course and trajectory of your trading career by sharing their knowledge. This in my opinion is critically important in a space where many of us feel pretty isolated and alone. We can't just learn a few things and go get hired at a hedge fund as a promising trader to go learn under some wise noble-minded sage that wants us to succeed, we're essentially free-agents grinding on our own so this community is very important. When someone shares real wisdom it should be simple to find and they should be acknowledged for it.

One thought I have to throw out there is maybe we could have a system where users, through making meaningful posts and accumulating the traditional "thanks" or "likes" that we have today, over time would earn a certain amount of "hearts" or whatever you want to call them, for some number of accumulated "thanks". Then you could allocate those "hearts" or whatever towards the posts that really make a difference to you. So by putting in effort to share journal entries, thoughts, experiences that others liked, over time you would earn the "hearts" (again arbitrary name) to give away to those really making a superb impact.

For example, I think of all the times @Pa Dax or @wldman told me exactly what I needed to hear at the right time because they've been there before. Or @Devil Man gave me perspective that I wasn't seeing. So many examples.

I do worry about this turning into some kind of currency or 'gaming' just to post to get thanks in order to get hearts, or missing the original intent, but our community is pretty tight so maybe that isn't too big of a concern.

Just some thoughts, many thanks to @Blue Eagle to bringing this up!

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Me too. I have a lot of thoughts about that entire aspect of the site. I do not want to just make a singular change, I want to enhance the entire category of post ranking and helpfulness.
...

- Something like a Heart button should be backed up with something of value, like to give a Heart "costs" something

Interesting thoughts, but I'm not sure I understand this part. Wouldn't it discourage giving them?

Bob.

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- Something like a Heart button should be backed up with something of value, like to give a Heart "costs" something
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Interesting thoughts, but I'm not sure I understand this part. Wouldn't it discourage giving them?

Bob.

One 'cost' metric could be to limit the frequency of each members ability to give a heart.

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@Big Mike, I really dig @Blue Eagle's idea here, because there are some members who go above and beyond with sharing their experience and actually change the course and trajectory of your trading career by sharing their knowledge. This in my opinion is critically important in a space where many of us feel pretty isolated and alone. We can't just learn a few things and go get hired at a hedge fund as a promising trader to go learn under some wise noble-minded sage that wants us to succeed, we're essentially free-agents grinding on our own so this community is very important. When someone shares real wisdom it should be simple to find and they should be acknowledged for it.

One thought I have to throw out there is maybe we could have a system where users, through making meaningful posts and accumulating the traditional "thanks" or "likes" that we have today, over time would earn a certain amount of "hearts" or whatever you want to call them, for some number of accumulated "thanks". Then you could allocate those "hearts" or whatever towards the posts that really make a difference to you. So by putting in effort to share journal entries, thoughts, experiences that others liked, over time you would earn the "hearts" (again arbitrary name) to give away to those really making a superb impact.

I really think that if we simply had another button...that noted the post as a "nugget of wisdom" that the rest would take care of itself. The post that finally pushed me to try to get something done was on @Rrrracer 's thread #1128...I tried to figure out how to link it here but I don't know how and it wouldn't copy and paste with the picture included. 14 people took a second to Thank that post but I know that if there was a "nugget"..or "heart" button most would have opted for that as it was simply a very helpful post for struggling traders.

Over the years I have seen posts from many that have 10-20 "Thanks" because they really say something. But that button alone wouldn't capture this well as frequent posters get many thanks for almost every post just because they are frequent posters and are followed by many. And I personally wouldn't want people "trying" to post awesome stuff...it happens organically when we have those moments of awareness and want to share them.

I think we know a nugget when we see it and would love to be able to reference them somehow. Anyway, another 2 cents from me... Also, I'm waiting to hear if @Rrrracer has started any kind of a thread like this as Grantx said.

Craig

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Hey Everybody. I've been following along so I wanted to respond where I am tagged and throw in my two cents.

This might not be the most succinct post...like most of my posts...because I'm typing from notes I made first thing this morning.

I've said it before, that everyone comes here to the forum for a reason. Usually "in search" of something: an answer, edge, validation, community, the secret settings, customers. Trading is a solitary game. We hunt "good do's" and while we discuss our process and our thoughts, we are on our own. Nobody knows, or experiences the ups and downs with us...those are specific to our individual actions and how we respond to results. It is consistent with human nature to want to "pack up" and hunt in a group, but that is hard. We all bring different attributes, experience and unfortunately, cognitive bias to our business approach. Sorting that out and building on our victories is often, not so easy.

So, I came here looking for help with a specific piece of code work for Ninja Trader. I was working on development of a Black/Gray box system similar in approach to what Ken Griffin did at Citadel with live traders. (granted on a MUCH smaller scale) While I still have most of those documents, and I still believe the idea is sound...I moved away from that thing that brought me here. I stayed active for two reasons: Some of the content was very interesting. Some people could really benefit from steady hand advice away from pitfalls or mistakes that I had already made...sometimes numerous times.

Journaling then, had a dual purpose. I could log my own actions, ideas and responses as an intellectual and experiential warehouse for reflection and self improvement AND that journal might help someone else on their journey. I have talked with other guys that are very noticeably missing from the recent dialogue. What I'm trying to describe might not be universal, but it is not isolated or unique. Obviously none of us can read all the threads or posts, though I bet Mike tries. I was able to read my thread(s), Gary's Spoonalysis thread, and Big Mike. When I am active here I am spending a few hours each day on the site. I can not do that and prepare/trade efficiently.

Sometimes it is discouraging to be directly and spuriously challenged. But, I can take it...and I can ignore it or dispatch nonsense pretty quickly. Sometimes crazy shit gets momentum here. It is easy to be frustrated when that happens. Unheeded, yet sound, authentic, valid perspective over time can easily raise the question, "Why waste my time?" Not taking that personally is essential, I mean you can lead the horse to water...right?" But when it ain't your horse and you have more demands than time to divide, you have to make a choice. This is how I order my priorities: Husband, Father, Effing make bank. Outside of those everything else is leisure. We spend our leisure time pursuing some type of gratification. Here we finally arrive at the topic of the thread.

If the point of participation is anything but the give and take of learn and share, that point is serving some insecurity. I learn every time I read...reading is learning, period. Typing is sharing. The nature of sharing can vary. You could be sharing what you know or what you don't know. When your posts are meant to share value, my bet is that recognition and even gratitude are not the authentic primary motivators. Years ago I did make a gratitude thread...the purpose of which was to publicly and in an explicit and descriptive way share gratitude for value received. I be $100 to Mike's charity organization that the thread has not seen a new post in years. O/U 2015, unless it was me trying to bump the idea.

The second personal reason for starting that thread was to consolidate a reference for the really kick ass contributors...so I could mine for value that might help me.

My thought is that gratitude should always be given for value where value is received BUT never "sought" as gratification. Authentic people do not seek gratitude they seek contribution. Little contributions to the benefit of others collects victories, yes...but it expands benefit. In our business, that helps people move away from pain and towards the opposite of pain.

Well, breakfast sausage aint gonna cook itself...so i can carry the soap box into the kitchen now.

Of course I'd love to offer more color, clarification or defend these points if anyone cares. Tag me. I'll be happy to chat it up.

-Dan

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This be it. Had to dust it off, it hasn't come off the shelf in a long time. Feel free to add, maybe we can get one of the Mods to change the title so it reflects community involvement? My purpose was to be succinct, just publish the info without a lot of chatter so that it was easy to sort thru. I was also trying to break it down by original thread, but we only get so much time to edit before the post is locked.

HTH!


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@Rrrracer

Yeah man. I was just searching for my old gratitude thread. I'll be driving through Indy Thursday night. Probably staying there, somewhere near Waffle House if I'm lucky. Want to get breakfast on Friday morning?

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So here is that gratitude thread. 4 total posts.

Now, to be fair...dozens of people have reached out personally. The point is not exposing "ingratitude", rather to say that if we knew that our contribution actually made a difference we would divide time to continue because it might matter.



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