NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Elite only for ALL downloads?


Discussion in Feedback and Announcements

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one wldman with 17 posts (5 thanks)
    2. looks_two Big Mike with 15 posts (247 thanks)
    3. looks_3 madLyfe with 6 posts (1 thanks)
    4. looks_4 sunny2010 with 5 posts (1 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one Big Mike with 16.5 thanks per post
    2. looks_two Tiberius with 13 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 trs3042 with 8 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 MWinfrey with 4 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 110,323 views
    2. thumb_up 466 thanks given
    3. group 346 followers
    1. forum 524 posts
    2. attach_file 0 attachments




Closed Thread
 
Search this Thread

Elite only for ALL downloads?

  #1 (permalink)
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 Big Mike 
Manta, Ecuador
Site Administrator
Developer
Swing Trader
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Custom solution
Broker: IBKR
Trading: Stocks & Futures
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Weeks
Posts: 50,396 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 33,172
Thanks Received: 101,534

All,

I am contemplating a major / drastic change to the behavior of all downloads on the site. The change would be to make all downloads Elite Only. I mean all downloads, in posts, threads, downloads section, everywhere globally. The only exclusion would be images (screen shots), but all other file types would be available only to Elite Members.

I have mixed feelings on this, so wanted to get some feedback from the users to consider as well before making any decisions. The main reason for the desire to change is to protect the work and to protect the value of the community.

Right now, too many "bots" are downloading our indicators and posting them on other sites as their own. Right now, too many real people register "fake" accounts because they can't even be bothered to spend 30 seconds to type in correct info when they register, all because all they want is to download something and likely never participate further in the site.

I previously tried enforcing a 10 post minimum for downloads, but all that did was have people create 10 junk posts. So that isn't going to work.

It seems the best way to protect the collection of downloads the users have worked very hard on, is to restrict access to only those who are serious about trading.

It certainly doesn't have to be Elite only, but the only other realistic option to implement is the minimum post requirement. If I change it to say 50 (instead of what we tried before, 10) then maybe it would prevent people from creating 50 spam posts just to download something, but still allow people who are serious about trading - but for whatever reason aren't Elite members - to still download. But the problem is, 50 posts is far, far more than what most people have (unfortunately), so such a requirement is likely to just piss off a lot of people.

The desire to change is not about increasing Elite sign ups. In fact, lately I have been wondering if futures.io (formerly BMT) is getting "too big" as we've started to attract some of the trolls from other sites and sometimes some of the posts are getting unfriendly lately. I am fighting this very hard as I am sure you are as well. We all want futures.io (formerly BMT) to remain a unique place, a place where everyone is truly here to help, and not start arguments, call each other names, or other troll like behavior. So this might mean making futures.io (formerly BMT) a more exclusive place where only serious traders are welcome.

Now obviously, just because someone pays for Elite membership does not automatically mean they are a serious trader. But they are probably far less likely to be a trouble maker while paying for the privilege to be here.

So a move of making all downloads Elite only might stunt our growth in terms of new user sign ups to the site, but that is fine with me if it means that what growth we have is of a higher quality and caliber user. I don't want to make the requirement solely based on post count, because there are far, far too many people who do not post much but are still working very hard to improve their trading. These people have signed up for Elite status to help support the site, and I think that entitles them to receive the downloads without a minimum post requirement.

Anyway, so there it is. Some of my many thoughts on the matter. Please share yours. I'm hoping to get a good mix of replies from both Elite Members and non-Elite Members.

Mike

---- ADDED MON 9/5/11 9:36PM EST ----

Moderator Notice
Moderator Notice




----- EDIT: ADDED TUE 9/6/11 1:11PM EST -------

Moderator Notice
Moderator Notice




---- ADDED WED 9/7/11 11:15AM EST ----

Moderator Notice
Moderator Notice



Thanks,
Mike

We're here to help: just ask the community or contact our Help Desk

Quick Links: Change your Username or Register as a Vendor
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list
Lifetime Elite Membership: Sign-up for only $149 USD
Exclusive money saving offers from our Site Sponsors: Browse Offers
Report problems with the site: Using the NexusFi changelog thread
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Started this thread
Thanked by:
1future, 4xmaster, 6eu08u, AAtrader, Abelle, acd2020, adamt, adii800, almaz57, Aloakdutt, am4tst, Angel, angela15ms, antxel, arjfca, Arno66, atata, atuc, aussiex, Bacon, Bama Bob, Barrosco, Bestnifty, bibulous, Blaga, bluemele, Camdo, Cams, caop0083, cbo80, countinghouse, crosword, danielchait, DarrenH, DaveTrading, ddkino, deanz, dee50, devdas, Dillons Grandpa, djkiwi, dnujj, Dreamer71, Ducman, e4644, Eagle01, edakat, ego7209, ehtsham123, eman, Erik44, exploooo, Express, Falco11, fasttraxs, Felix trader, firstbrain, fmbraga, forker, FSezen, Fu510n, fxct, fxmen, fxwealth88, gary9, gerere, Geronimo8008, gerydop, gever17, gordo, gracepips, grandad58, grenouille, grimlis, gtradz, hemsvg, hiwaymn1, horseman, Howard, ilikeread, investor trading, IPDG, jay nune, jimmcla, jmacn, jmont1, jmuser, JohnnyCash, josemrico, JozoBau, jrad224, k1ramm, kadir26, kaltrax, kbit, Kenza, KevinHenjum, KL01, Klausi, kliw, kul1nt, Laurus12, lincor, lobel, madLyfe, mahsayyah, Mammoth, Marriz, MartyHoy, masitox, masterchanger, mattsb, maxr, michaelp, Mikky73, mizzoutrader, mmather, mofidtrader, mojtabamt, Mostafa, mpacienza, MrDonQui, MurphyCZek, murugan, nanobiotech, netlinx, nicola1982, NJAMC, nt4papo, once11, pacopil, pak1111, panamajack, PaperTrader, Patrick17, pattyloo, Pavel174, pedrobraz, pedrohcarvalho, pharmacino, project belgrade, pullbacktrader, Quix, raff, razor99, rcabri, redratsal, Rick Reynolds, Robin Hood, Rocketdog, sam028, sandptrader, santorini11, sathish4308, scartree, sergiogar69, sezer32, sflanagan98, shanefin768, skydois, sola, starwang99, stealth38, Stefcoo, stellar, stljb, sunpost, svencool, taylor, tdaman, teramente, totallytrader, toughiee, TRADERJEJ, tradernovice, tradersn221, traderwerks, tradingon, travelinman, trs3042, tshunhu, VinceVirgil, Volts101, walt1936, WCwings, will195914, William Lolli, wwwingman, xtremer

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
Deepmoney LLM
Elite Quantitative GenAI/LLM
NT7 Indicator Script Troubleshooting - Camarilla Pivots
NinjaTrader
Exit Strategy
NinjaTrader
The space time continuum and the dynamics of a financial …
Emini and Emicro Index
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Get funded firms 2023/2024 - Any recommendations or word …
61 thanks
Funded Trader platforms
39 thanks
NexusFi site changelog and issues/problem reporting
26 thanks
Battlestations: Show us your trading desks!
26 thanks
The Program
18 thanks
  #2 (permalink)
 sharmas 
Auckland
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Ninja Trader
Broker: Zen-Fire
Trading: CL and ES
Posts: 778 since Apr 2010
Thanks Given: 3,822
Thanks Received: 750

Mike

A great move.Passionate traders in futures.io (formerly BMT) go out of their way to help each other and to only see their great work is taken away...can i say stolen from futures.io (formerly BMT), packaged up and sold as their indicator.

Lets make it to Elite only members.

However, how would this stop them from becoming Elite members and abusing the privilege of being a member of futures.io (formerly BMT).

thoughts

sharmas

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
  #3 (permalink)
 
cory's Avatar
 cory 
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
Posts: 6,098 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 877
Thanks Received: 8,090



Big Mike View Post
All,

I am contemplating a major / drastic change to the behavior of all downloads on the site. The change would be to make all downloads Elite Only. I mean all downloads, in posts, threads, downloads section, everywhere globally. The only exclusion would be images (screen shots), but all other file types would be available only to Elite Members.

....
Mike

agree then you can turn all threads into non elite make it easier to search.

  #4 (permalink)
 Eric j 
NY
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Esignal, MBT navigator
Trading: Currencies
Posts: 2,507 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 1,396
Thanks Received: 2,576

Maybe allow one to download after they themselves contribute an indicator or something of substance evaluated by the mods ? Something equal to or greater than the relative value of what they would be entitled to at least in the download section . All content here is valuable in my opinion but unfortunately theres individuals and entities that seek to profit from the hard work of others without contributing themselves .

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
  #5 (permalink)
 
jdella's Avatar
 jdella 
Concord, NH USA
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja trader
Broker: AMP/CQG
Trading: ES
Posts: 182 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 140
Thanks Received: 115


Big Mike View Post
All,

I am contemplating a major / drastic change to the behavior of all downloads on the site. The change would be to make all downloads Elite Only. I mean all downloads, in posts, threads, downloads section, everywhere globally. The only exclusion would be images (screen shots), but all other file types would be available only to Elite Members.

I have mixed feelings on this, so wanted to get some feedback from the users to consider as well before making any decisions. The main reason for the desire to change is to protect the work and to protect the value of the community.

Right now, too many "bots" are downloading our indicators and posting them on other sites as their own. Right now, too many real people register "fake" accounts because they can't even be bothered to spend 30 seconds to type in correct info when they register, all because all they want is to download something and likely never participate further in the site.

I previously tried enforcing a 10 post minimum for downloads, but all that did was have people create 10 junk posts. So that isn't going to work.

It seems the best way to protect the collection of downloads the users have worked very hard on, is to restrict access to only those who are serious about trading.

It certainly doesn't have to be Elite only, but the only other realistic option to implement is the minimum post requirement. If I change it to say 50 (instead of what we tried before, 10) then maybe it would prevent people from creating 50 spam posts just to download something, but still allow people who are serious about trading - but for whatever reason aren't Elite members - to still download. But the problem is, 50 posts is far, far more than what most people have (unfortunately), so such a requirement is likely to just piss off a lot of people.

The desire to change is not about increasing Elite sign ups. In fact, lately I have been wondering if futures.io (formerly BMT) is getting "too big" as we've started to attract some of the trolls from other sites and sometimes some of the posts are getting unfriendly lately. I am fighting this very hard as I am sure you are as well. We all want futures.io (formerly BMT) to remain a unique place, a place where everyone is truly here to help, and not start arguments, call each other names, or other troll like behavior. So this might mean making futures.io (formerly BMT) a more exclusive place where only serious traders are welcome.

Now obviously, just because someone pays for Elite membership does not automatically mean they are a serious trader. But they are probably far less likely to be a trouble maker while paying for the privilege to be here.

So a move of making all downloads Elite only might stunt our growth in terms of new user sign ups to the site, but that is fine with me if it means that what growth we have is of a higher quality and caliber user. I don't want to make the requirement solely based on post count, because there are far, far too many people who do not post much but are still working very hard to improve their trading. These people have signed up for Elite status to help support the site, and I think that entitles them to receive the downloads without a minimum post requirement.

Anyway, so there it is. Some of my many thoughts on the matter. Please share yours. I'm hoping to get a good mix of replies from both Elite Members and non-Elite Members.

Mike

Mike, I think you would be justified in implementing this. Although I haven't been the largest poster by any means, mainly because at times I feel I don't have much to contribute, but in the 2 years I have been associated with futures.io (formerly BMT) I have thoroughly enjoyed the type of community you have here and with all the various trading forums out there, this is by far the best I know of. So, I think your idea of making downloads an Elite requirement will more than likely alleviate some of the problems that you have addressed. Just my 2 cents.
Jeff

  #6 (permalink)
 
Tiberius's Avatar
 Tiberius 
Coos County New Hampshire
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: IB
Trading: ES
Posts: 1,552 since Feb 2010
Thanks Given: 2,984
Thanks Received: 3,406

IMHO, I say open the threads to all; in the spirit of learning. You need an Elite membership to download indicators. If you want to play, you have to pay.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
  #7 (permalink)
 Abde 
Stuttgart / Germany
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: FlatTrader
Broker: GFT and Interactive Brokers
Trading: ES, DAX
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Days
Posts: 533 since Aug 2010
Thanks Given: 2,141
Thanks Received: 729


Tiberius View Post
IMHO, I say open the threads to all; in the spirit of learning. You need an Elite membership to download indicators. If you want to play, you have to pay.

This is also my opinion and the problem with the "bots" and "fake" accounts would be solved with that.

  #8 (permalink)
 
Tiberius's Avatar
 Tiberius 
Coos County New Hampshire
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: IB
Trading: ES
Posts: 1,552 since Feb 2010
Thanks Given: 2,984
Thanks Received: 3,406

the download function doesn't work until someone clicks the "thanks" button first. The lack of manners on futures.io (formerly BMT) is .................... well, gee wiz your momma................

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
  #9 (permalink)
 
tickvix's Avatar
 tickvix 
USA
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Infinity
Broker: Infinity
Trading: ES, Euro
Posts: 232 since Feb 2010
Thanks Given: 137
Thanks Received: 157

I feel strongly that if we make downloads harder to get only quality people who go forward with down loads. By harder to get I think futures.io (formerly BMT) should make them pay for tools.
Now amount is not as important but should be large enough for one to think more then once before just coming and taking tools from futures.io (formerly BMT). I know some would disagree with me. On the other hand when money are in stake people would pay attention.

Thank you

Gregory_TickVix

  #10 (permalink)
 
trs3042's Avatar
 trs3042 
Holland, Michigan
 
Experience: None
Platform: ninjatrader
Broker: CQG
Trading: Acoustic Guitar
Posts: 1,617 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 23,764
Thanks Received: 5,616





Why did it take this long??? I'm by no means the biggest poster on futures.io (formerly BMT), but I've been wondering about this very subject since I joined in 2009. Implement it Big Mike, that's my vote.

Rick


Closed Thread



Last Updated on September 10, 2011


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts