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  #491 (permalink)
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All,

I am contemplating a major / drastic change to the behavior of all downloads on the site. The change would be to make all downloads Elite Only. I mean all downloads, in posts, threads, downloads section, everywhere globally. The only exclusion would be images (screen shots), but all other file types would be available only to Elite Members.

I have mixed feelings on this, so wanted to get some feedback from the users to consider as well before making any decisions. The main reason for the desire to change is to protect the work and to protect the value of the community.

Right now, too many "bots" are downloading our indicators and posting them on other sites as their own. Right now, too many real people register "fake" accounts because they can't even be bothered to spend 30 seconds to type in correct info when they register, all because all they want is to download something and likely never participate further in the site.

Big Mike,

I certainly don't know the entire story behind the desire to restrict downloads to Elite Members. You may want to consider all uploads Elite downloads only until you release some to more of th "Public Domain". I think it was some of the open downloads that convinced me that futures.io (formerly BMT) was a good investment and became an Elite Member. Not sure I would have jumped into an Elite membership without some outside indication of the quality of the downloads.

As for the non-Elite contributors, I am sure you may be able to work something out with them as a Free or discounted upgrade to Elite status based upon their contributions.

Just my 2 cents... I do think you need to offer something for free, more than just the treads, or you new memberships may drop as well...

Good luck,

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-NJAMC [Generic Programmer]

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Please don't ban me Mike

I'm not going to ban you. Just remove your other post as it was quite rude.

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As a new (non elite) member since late last week,
I didnít sign up to pay for membership because the internet is full of scammers trying to get money, so obviously everything has to be on a free trial basis or no way.
But now a change has occurred, before it was, Is the elite section worth $50?
Now itís, Are the indicators worth $50?


I think you still need to have some free downloads on the site to attract interest.
Nevi

 
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Almost a philosophical question about free or pay

Hello Mike,
For now, I want to thank you for this excellent site for the
Trading on learning!
I also belong to the traders who posts something rare. It is because
the language. The English text, I can well understand it yourself
I can not write well enough.
Now Mike, there is a central problem from the Internet, everything is copied,
Music, text, work, ideas and everything everywhere.
But how should you write that it is now at our trading site is abuse, and people just download on the page, the exploit will not tolerate it!
I am therefore sure that your proposed barriers installed
are, for the protection and satisfaction of honest traders community.
Long live the Big Mike Trading!
Many greetings
MrDonQui

 
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My First post

I have been a non-elite member for a few months now and have downloaded several indicators, one of which is used in my trading ideas. So I am grateful for futures.io (formerly BMT). However, I am in 2 minds regarding only allowing Elte members to download indicators. On the one hand, I agree that no one should download any indicators with the intention of selling them. On the other hand I think having a free download area helps newbies like myself. But overall I think that only Elite members should be able to download indicators and for this reason, I have subscribed to be an Elite member as $50 is a small price to pay for such a good forum. So thanks Big Mike and all the programmers that have unselfishly added their indicators to this forum.

Regards,

Dudley

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Hi,

Your remarks are way off base. I do not even want you to become an Elite Member with this type of negative attitude. In fact, I don't even want you on the forum with this type of attitude. So I am asking you to leave and not come back.

Mike


Mike

Thanks...... the world is a closed group.

Sad but true. Conformity is the rule.

maybe I should have said....." Yes I support the Elite Only Rule"

Its your site. So you can say " So I am asking you to leave and not come back."

Good luck

 
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That makes me want...


mrmuggins View Post
I have been a non-elite member for a few months now and have downloaded several indicators, one of which is used in my trading ideas. So I am grateful for futures.io (formerly BMT). However, I am in 2 minds regarding only allowing Elte members to download indicators. On the one hand, I agree that no one should download any indicators with the intention of selling them. On the other hand I think having a free download area helps newbies like myself. But overall I think that only Elite members should be able to download indicators and for this reason, I have subscribed to be an Elite member as $50 is a small price to pay for such a good forum. So thanks Big Mike and all the programmers that have unselfishly added their indicators to this forum.

Regards,

Dudley

to do anything I can to help you. Not that my help is needed, wanted or even valuable to you...the point is I appreciate that which you appreciate. thank you .

 
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Wow. I am dissaponted, but not surprised at how ungrateful and cheap people are.

This forum is a wealth of knowledge, for anyone serious about making their trading work.

Perhaps it underscores why so many people fail at trading.... They want a magic indicator to turn green when they should buy, and red when they should sell. Instead of putting in the research, mastering the markets and developing their own edge. On top of that, they want it given to them for free and without any effort on their part.

Thanks for all your hard work Mike. It must be frustrating dealing with these types...

 
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Mike,

First off, I would like to extend my appreciation and gratitude to you and everyone who contributes to the Forum because it is my number one "go-to" place. Sure, I haven't contributed much post wise, but I felt I could at least contribute by becoming an "Elite member". As an older 'duffer" most of you folks just make my head spin by the skill,talent and knowledge you so willingly share and demonstrate. I KNOW I certainly would not be where I am in my trading journey without having had the access to futures.io (formerly BMT)F.
In my meager 9 years of involvement with this trading journey, this forum is No. 1 with me of ALL the other stuff I've looked at, on-line and off.
So, bottom line, please do what ever it takes it keep Big Mikes first class, helpful, friendly and available.
With much Gratitude
Deercreek

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Gratitude


Echo the gratitude for Mike and all the others who contribute in the forums. Thanks Mike.


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