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Elite only for ALL downloads?

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I haven't posted much since I stopped uploading my journal, so requiring a posting limit for downloads would hurt people like me. $50 is such a ridiculously small amount of money for the value here, that to me, it's a no-brainer.

I vote to make all downloads part of the elite section.

 
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Mike

So you have got the results. You wanted a vote and I think you got it. Like any democracy - polarised to protect oneself.
The "haves" ( Elite members - already paid $50) vs. "have-nots" ( freebies-non-Elites)
I'm sure you expected nothing more.

If it is about the money ....... for the upkeep of the site & all ......cant crib.

But the "Haves - Elites " - surely are not saying that the "Indicator" maket-all. "The Golden recipe for Success at Trading". Surely - Hope-Not. It seems to smell of "$50 out of pocket Syndrome" A common disease found everywhere.

Can you ever stop ..... peddling indicators. Can you ever stop........ prostitution, drugs, et all. So as the story goes........ Ban It. or Tax it. All is well on the purist side.

It takes one $50 - membership to rape & pillage the larder! Surely banning and taxing will never be the answer.

Alas Mike....... .you have allowed us to go though the motion of democracy.

Now you have got a lot of to do.

have fun.

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Elite membership for downloading is fair, but please don't require posting


Hi BigMike,

your Forum is realy top notch and I agree with you 100% and vote for free Downloads
only for EliteMember but dont change the Elite/NonElite-Member Structure like it is right now,
so, free downloading only for Elite is Fair.


Not everybody is a "Poster" and for myself i need a lot of Time to write a post in English Language because im from Germany and can speak and write only School-English.

I think only pay 50$ to get acess including free downloads (everything) from this fantastic High-Quality- Forum and also gets many inputs from all the other Top-Trader that is really fair enough.

Schuster21

 
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Hey Mike,

This is actually my first post so first and foremost..Thank You! I am still trying to figure everything out but I appreciate the quality and the standard of excellnce that you provide here. A friend of mine introduced me to this forum and it has been a vital tool in getting started. I chose elite from the get and unfortunately have yet to access all that is offered but am thankfull that it is all here when I am ready!

I respect which ever choice you make!

Thanks again,

newbie!

 
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1st post is about not making a 1st post (?)

I hope that this is pertinent to the subject:

- I still have small accounts, but if I can't get my $50 investment back out of all of the knowledge and experience that I gain from futures.io (formerly BMT), I should not be trading! (and I'm not even talking about the indicators) So, my two cents is that mandatory $50 for all is the very minimum that should be donated.

- As a newbie, I have wanted to contribute, but I don't think you want my input (posts) quite yet! It would be like me filling the fifth spot on a pro basketball team. I'm sure they would prefer the original four! I feel that, with my lack of knowledge, I would be much more in the way, than a "contributor".... like the Bball players trying not to step on me. However, some day, I hope to!

- Finally, after years of trying to collect from bad tenants, I have learned that trying to fight moochers is like trying to trade against the trend. That is who/what they are. It might work some of the time, but in the end, you will have put way too much energy into it compared to what you receive back. Eventually, you end up giving up on "I can't let them get away with that!", and accept the loss before you lose even more in time and energy. ie... cut bait!

 
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I agree with Mike

I agree Mike, the hard work and valuable download content of futures.io (formerly BMT) should be protected. If Elite membership will achieve this, then it is fair.

 
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i vote for free downloads only Elite

Hi BigMike,

your Forum is realy top notch and I agree with you 100% and vote for free Downloads
only for EliteMember but dont change the Elite/NonElite-Member Structure like it is right now,
so, free downloading only for Elite is Fair.


Not everybody is a "Poster" and for myself i need a lot of Time to write a post in English Language because im from Germany and can speak and write only School-English.

I think only pay 50$ to get acess including free downloads (everything) from this fantastic High-Quality- Forum and also gets many inputs from all the other Top-Trader that is really fair enough.

Schuster21

 
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Non-Disclosure

Elite downloads would be a help, but will not stop some from distributing content. The webinar I did for futures.io (formerly BMT) was quickly copied and posted on a traders' "file sharing" site, despite the clear and obvious statement that the material was copy righted. It is truely disheartening to see my work - which took years of effort to develop - cavalierly distributed without my or Mike's permission. And this was done by someone who had access to the elite section of this site.

So I would consider going one step further. Require a non-disclosure agreement that states that the trader agrees not to copy and distribute the material in exchange for access to the material. A simple and straightforward agreement.

Will it be enforceable? Probably difficult, and likely not worth the effort. But before dismissing, consider this. A part of the problem lies in the fact that operating off the web makes things seemlingly free. Anonymity, easy access and lack of enforcable rules foster this false impression. Requiring a nondisclosure highlights the fact that the material being accessed is, indeed, not free. Instead, it reminds everyone accessing the material that it reflects a person's (and sometimes a group of persons') work whether it be code, an indicator, webinar or other content and that that person's work and this site archiving that work are to be respected.

I have seen this be effective when traders discussed nondisclosure material on another forum. They reminded one another of the nondisclosure agreement and were, in fact, very careful not to discuss protected information. I like appealing to people's higher character. It dosen't work with everyone, of course, but for most of us it helps to remind us that we do prefer to act with integrity.

Gary

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Moderator Note


I want to once again thank everyone for their feedback.

Based on the feedback I have received, I have made a change to the Downloads section of the site just now. You must now be an Elite Member to access any of the Downloads within the downloads section.

We will see how it goes, and the next step will be to make a similar change in threads so that only Elite Members can download attachments from within posts or threads. After a trial period, I will look to re-organize the Downloads section to eliminate the "The Elite Circle" section within the downloads area, dispersing it instead into the platform categories that exist.

I am unsure how long the trial period will last. I will play it by ear.

Addressing a few other points:

1) This will not effect our Google indexing. The pages are publicly visible on the Download section, just not publicly accessible. The exception is the category "The Elite Circle" which is hidden. As mentioned above, after the trial period I will look to disperse this section since the entire Downloads area will be Elite only.

2) To those who suggested a point-based system or a limitation on the number or frequency of downloads, I am sorry to say it won't work. This is because people will just attempt to create duplicate accounts to get around the block.

3) To those who say I should just increase the number of ads on the site if I want more money. To that I say "no thanks", I don't want more ads on the site, and the changes proposed had nothing to do with generating revenue. I already turn away about 80% or more of requests to advertise on the site. This is because of something I like to call integrity, and not allowing "get rich quick" type ads on the site or companies with poor reputation. Also, the desire to improve the site is not fueled by money. I want futures.io (formerly BMT) to stay pure and on point as it is today, full of helpful traders, and not become overrun with trolls like other trading sites. I believe this change to restrict access is a good one in this regard.




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i think bmt started by a few of us guys posting free lessons and indicators,in part to teach ourselves and in part to help other traders get stuff for free indicators that others charge for even though the original idea was not theirs to begin with.i rather leave bmt like it is.some free stuff and some stuff you need to pay for if the author of the indicator or idea wants to post it in elite or not...sharky

Hey Mike,
This is the way I remember how your site was in the beginning. I sure learned a lot. I would like to see it stay the same.
Possibly adding a password to get to the downloads if bots are a problem.

Vic

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