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Elite only for ALL downloads?

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I am only going to say that it is your site, and in the end you should do what makes you happy.. second, I am not sure what is so secret or special about the elite section, I mean.. I contributed $$$ mainly because I felt it was the right thing to do, but not really for the "indicators"... there really isnt anything novel other than Gomi stuff... that in itself is worth something IMO... but the rest, just noise and different ways to see the same data for the most part. IMO as well, when someone posts code on this site, they are in fact reliquishing their intelectual property rights, so there should be no expectation to the contrary.

It all comes down to this.... what do you feel that you want to do? whatever that is, just do it and move on...

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I don't use indicators but, my vote is for the elite, Thanks for all your hard work Mike

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Does it have to be this way Mike???

I like to read and learn. I believe the people who have shared their code did so to share. I like it here but do I have to post to enjoy this site? Do what you will but I think you will push many others away. Thank you Bob for all you do I'm very greatful.

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Bad Idea

Once you start to exclude people & then members & then the membership will drop. (or should)
The members that share their tips & tricks do so to help the community and those that it is what makes this forum different from all the others out there.

go ahead - want to lose members?

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I see nothing wrong with this.

Generally, someone who is serious about trading and has the means to even be capable of it can pay 50 bucks to access content. Its an unfortunate series of events that some people have no principals and steal content for their own scam-websites. It makes it easier for these assholes that run these illicit enterprises to gain credibility that they don't deserve. This being the case, I see no reason why it should be totally free to download indicators in light of what it actually prevents. A scam-artist will think twice before they actually pay for access. Furthermore, at least it makes a potential trader contemplate whether or not they are devoted enough to spend the money on access and to "put-their-money-where-their-mouth-is" so to speak. Your member fees are lower than other forums (such as Forex-TSD), and you guys tend to be more helpful and knowledgeable. I'm for it, and I will prove it by paying for it.

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Mike The Greek
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Keep it free, no conditions.

Run more ads on ur pages if u need more income. You will make more money this way than through memberships in the long run. As u develop ur income by marketing through ads, u will develop the revenue to reimburse all elite users their membership fee. This is a step in the right direction, a way to gain integrity and credibility and profitability.

It is not plausible to me that u need to protect the hard work of others nor ur own 'hard work', nor the need to protect ur own intellectual property.

Ur success will be determined by the quality of the service u provide, which may or may not be justified by the elite membership fee: personally i have no interest in paying for ur services.

The extent to which u provide useful trading tools to the trading community u will personally benefit and empower those around u. Deriving your revenue primarily from selling membership for education probably does not give u credibility I am looking for. Running ads is just fine and a perfectly legitimate source of income. Ur excuses about y u want to protect ur information make no sense at all to me.

The main and most legitimate way that the internet operates is by freely marketing, branding and promoting products and services. A good product and service will ALWAYS sell itself. U do not need to fend of the copycats. Either u get it right and develop the trust, loyalty and support of the community or not. Time will tell.

Ur site has some useful information and is a resource. U should be seeking ways to open ur service and remove all restrictions rather than wasting time trying to protect anything. There is nothing to protect. There is a plethora of free information on the net and u r not even a drop in the bucket. U r only showing weakness in the eyes of the public by sending out emails such as the one i just received. Keep ur gloves up and tell ppl positive things and find ways of value adding ur services.

One free way u can improve the quality of ur patronage is to require all members to regularly fill out brief trading questionnaires. Publish the results on ur homepage. It would be a very useful educational tool for traders to c how other traders think about a wide range of issues. Filling out a brief questionnaire (with radio button answers) would value-add ur site and sort out who is really interested in ur site.



Big Mike I must say nicko is right and to the point. BTW when it comes to business you don't ask your customers what they wont you’re never going to make your decision by what we won’t. But since you ask my opinion place a “donate” button because I am the kind of internet user that likes free staff but if I’ am helped somewhere I always donate something.

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Limiting Members

I haven't posted because I haven't felt as if I know enough to ask an intelligent question or to contribute. I joined to learn. Although I have not had the opportunity to spend as much time as I would like on this site, I do like it over others primarily because the members spend their time with constructive comments rather than insulting / abusive comments I've seen elsewhere.

I don't have a problem with being required to be Elite to download any files (I did pay to be an Elite member). And I'm afraid any posting requirement would result in comments / questions that are duplicative of others and not well thought out.

Thanks to you Bob for all the good work, and to all the members for contributing to a quality site.


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Big Mike I must say nicko is right and to the point. BTW when it comes to business you don't ask your customers what they wont you’re never going to make your decision by what we won’t. But since you ask my opinion place a “donate” button because I am the kind of internet user that likes free staff but if I’ am helped somewhere I always donate something.

Nicko's post is almost unreadable. They don't sell anything here, as most of it is free. Since many unscrupulous people exist who take credit for others efforts, I believe they should limit access some way. The easiest way to do so is to charge some subscription fee. You probably bought a 50 dollar meal last week. Even poor people can afford a 50 dollar meal once a month or so, I know this as I have been there before I got myself an education and good job. 50 bucks for a lifetime membership is nothing when you consider the fact that you can just not eat out once or twice this month.

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Big Mike - Thanks for all your hard work with this site - it is invaluable for many of us. I'm surprised it took so long for this to become a problem.

I believe Elite-only download is a viable solution and even a higher priced Elite would not upset me. The idea that all Net-based information should be free is self serving BS and your members know that.

You're doing the right thing polling the membership but I recommend you give special weight to the thoughts of the major contributors like Fat Tails et al.

Looking forward to learning more every day.

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make it Elite only downloads

My vote; make it Elite only downloads files
In other words, make it a paid for site in terms of access to the downloads
Some will definitely not like it but you have good reasons.
Make the reasons known and rename Elite to Download Priviledge.
The post minimum will be onerous to some of us definitely, so the cash trade is best.

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