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I agree with your points BigMike. In fact, I would go one step further and add the funky text that you need to confirm for each download. The real traders that are enjoying the value of your site would probably not be too bothered by having to verify some short word to ensure that the site is not being taken advantage of. You have built a wonderful site that is easy to navigate and really helps all of us, and we have a great community of cooperation.

Thanks for your great work...

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I am contemplating a major / drastic change to the behavior of all downloads on the site. The change would be to make all downloads Elite Only. I mean all downloads, in posts, threads, downloads section, everywhere globally. The only exclusion would be images (screen shots), but all other file types would be available only to Elite Members.

I have mixed feelings on this, so wanted to get some feedback from the users to consider as well before making any decisions. The main reason for the desire to change is to protect the work and to protect the value of the community.

Right now, too many "bots" are downloading our indicators and posting them on other sites as their own. Right now, too many real people register "fake" accounts because they can't even be bothered to spend 30 seconds to type in correct info when they register, all because all they want is to download something and likely never participate further in the site.

I previously tried enforcing a 10 post minimum for downloads, but all that did was have people create 10 junk posts. So that isn't going to work.

It seems the best way to protect the collection of downloads the users have worked very hard on, is to restrict access to only those who are serious about trading.

It certainly doesn't have to be Elite only, but the only other realistic option to implement is the minimum post requirement. If I change it to say 50 (instead of what we tried before, 10) then maybe it would prevent people from creating 50 spam posts just to download something, but still allow people who are serious about trading - but for whatever reason aren't Elite members - to still download. But the problem is, 50 posts is far, far more than what most people have (unfortunately), so such a requirement is likely to just piss off a lot of people.

The desire to change is not about increasing Elite sign ups. In fact, lately I have been wondering if futures.io (formerly BMT) is getting "too big" as we've started to attract some of the trolls from other sites and sometimes some of the posts are getting unfriendly lately. I am fighting this very hard as I am sure you are as well. We all want futures.io (formerly BMT) to remain a unique place, a place where everyone is truly here to help, and not start arguments, call each other names, or other troll like behavior. So this might mean making futures.io (formerly BMT) a more exclusive place where only serious traders are welcome.

Now obviously, just because someone pays for Elite membership does not automatically mean they are a serious trader. But they are probably far less likely to be a trouble maker while paying for the privilege to be here.

So a move of making all downloads Elite only might stunt our growth in terms of new user sign ups to the site, but that is fine with me if it means that what growth we have is of a higher quality and caliber user. I don't want to make the requirement solely based on post count, because there are far, far too many people who do not post much but are still working very hard to improve their trading. These people have signed up for Elite status to help support the site, and I think that entitles them to receive the downloads without a minimum post requirement.

Anyway, so there it is. Some of my many thoughts on the matter. Please share yours. I'm hoping to get a good mix of replies from both Elite Members and non-Elite Members.


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Mike great move !!

Here is my view since i have been fighting for and on behalf of futures.io (formerly BMT) for quite a while and it seem the hard work on this board is going into wrong hands :

1. Welcome to AlphaTrend Software Services (Michael Paul Kanuika)

2. EZ Signal - Your Gateway to the Futures World! - Home --> (fake account under the name of Beth and owner is wgreenie)

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Mike i am very surprised that you have not taken any step to protect your team members here on this board. ( Apologize for being a little rude but i have been voicing my concerns past alomost 1 year)



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I am not an Elite member, and I have made very few posts. And I agree it is fair to allow only Elite members to download.

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Add my vote for downloads for elete members only.

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I say make everything elite.....

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Elite only for ALL downloads?

Hello Mike,
you made the best forum for traders in the world and, for me, you are the one that better knows what it is necessary to do to keep it on top.
I learned a lot since when I joined here.
I apologies with everybody because I posted nothing usefull for the others untill now, but believe me, I am still trying to survive for the moment, and I really have nothing good to share with others yet.
Many thanks for what you did.

  #177 (permalink)
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ELITE's only

I really agree with your proposal to only allow ELITE members to download. I am not an ELITE member but given what is happening to the site it makes sense that precautionary measures need to be implemented.

Thanks - Shaun Z

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I registered to get the indicator for displaying news events in Ninjatrader.
I've never intended to make a contribution to this site.
Therefore I'd recommend to make it harder for people like me to just register, download stuff and give back nothing.
Would be a waste to see a good source of information go down because of leeches like myself.

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Agree Elite members only

I agree, downloads just to Elite members. I would also consider having just Elite members on the site, so we make sure that just people truly interested in trading would participate. The site is becoming so big that there are too many useless posts. People should prevent adding posts just for the sake of posting. Sometimes you go thru 20 or 30 pages of posts to find just a few that are truly useful.
If someone doesn't have 50/100 bucks to participate in a serious trading forum, they probably shouldn't even be thinking about trading.

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Bot Attacks suck

All, give them 2 downloads then the 3rd should make elite status if they are serious. the Bots are invading all of twitter as well. It is a pain for those who are trying to learn only to have some geek who thinks they are being funny screw up the works for the rest of us.

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