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Why not eSignal??

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I have always wondered why not many people use esignal as well. I pretty much had to subscribe to esignal because at the time I was using Amibroker and esignal were the only data provider that provided live data for ASX stocks. Later on when I started trading futures I switched from time based bars to price based bars (tick charts, range bars) which was really annoying with amibroker because I had to always change the database settings. And for some reason I could never get range bars to work on amibroker even after about 5 emails to their support team. So I decided to start using esignal 11 and loved it. Esignal would have to be the only platform that has never given me any problems its rock solid and their support is pretty good aswell. I guess that's why signal users don't really talk about the platform on the web that much because they are pretty satisfied with the product. The only downsides I think they have is the price and it can be hard to get custom programing done aswell, unlike ninjatrader which has a big following and coders are plentiful.

Based on my personal experience with eSignal is they are more interested in their company and the way they do things versus what customers need. Could go into more detail but basically I discovered something about their datafeed and proved to them where and how the problem occurred and was told they weren't interested in fixing the problem even when they admitted to me that the problem existed. For me it was a show stopper and so I moved on.

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Based on my personal experience with eSignal is they are more interested in their company and the way they do things versus what customers need. Could go into more detail but basically I discovered something about their datafeed and proved to them where and how the problem occurred and was told they weren't interested in fixing the problem even when they admitted to me that the problem existed. For me it was a show stopper and so I moved on.

I second this opinion. I really don't think they're interested in the data business, beause they don't behave like they are.

Example, they provide level I data for the HSI & Kospi, but no level II....retail traders want level II, at least they could offer it. They refuse to offer it.

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I found that the eSignal platform was pretty decent and looked pretty good compared to say ninja trader, the trouble I had with it was that it was a nightmare trying to look for symbols, the data feed just seemed off for some reason and the DOM simply wasn't good enough and didn't show enough info.

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I know it supported over 200 symbols but I wasnt using more than 20 at a time. And all were stocks with high ATR, high vol (over2 mill/day) and like I said it was always lagging 5-10 seconds. I trade off candlesticks but when setups occur and say a candle stick is closing at 11 am-you'd get a massive move in 1-2 secs cause algos pick up same thing. SO I started front running the algos cause the moves were massive and I didnt realize it the delays in eSignal until I saw that front running before the cande closed(watching all charts at 10:59:55 for a candle closing at 11 am) and even then I was missing the move. Then I paid close attention to what price my schwab charts were showing and what eSignal was showing and there was clear lag. For sure the lag couldnt be at my end-why would I get right price for schwab and not for eSignal ? I still kept it for a full year trying to work with their support $120/mo wasnt big deal for me if it works but finally I couldnt justify it anymore. Cant be the computer either - always have had a top of line and upgrade everything every 2 years.

I find this to be true when I pull up charts at open on Esignal. I will usually have a several second lag before the first candle hits the charts on my 1 minute. Annoying for sure when your looking for a quick scalp off the open. I use Esignal data and have a 30MB connection from Comcast so I don't think its on my end. I actually liked Schwab's software to, except for the chart limit. Also Schwab can't fill shorts like other brokers, there short fills suck..

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Is there any value for a person swing trading stocks?

What features in E signal would allow a trader to make back the monthly fee that are not available with other programs? I trade with IB using their TWS

I have only traded ES and NQs with TWS and normally I use Esignal for equities. I would have liked using TWS, but I have been unable to find OHLC indicators for the charts. I also really like the Esignal power scanner and the hot lists for finding volatility in equities. I am able to nail 99% of my teachers picks with the power scanner, so I either pay him or sub to Esignal for the scanner. Something I need to work on being able to do with any trading tools; I know.

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I would bet real money that most people would make more money only using a newspaper and graph paper.

If only you could hook those into the router you might be right.

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Based on my personal experience with eSignal is they are more interested in their company and the way they do things versus what customers need. Could go into more detail but basically I discovered something about their datafeed and proved to them where and how the problem occurred and was told they weren't interested in fixing the problem even when they admitted to me that the problem existed. For me it was a show stopper and so I moved on.

After the server debacle yesterday, man I am almost in this boat myself. I had planned on shorting GMCR at open and by the time I flipped over to TWS, IB was out of shares. I was Ummm frustrated. I guess they may have been out before open, but I am still wondering?


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Esignal w/Esig data vs NT w/Kinetick

Seeing how futures.io (formerly BMT) is plastered all over the NT site I figured there might be a little bias in here he he. Hopefully all of you nice people still have a permalink to this thread so I can get a current opinion on this. I really like Esignal, it is very nice trading software, unfortunately there are some tools that I want to use that will only hook into NT. It is not a money thing persae, but if I can do everything I want to in NT, then it doesn't really make sense for me to keep my Esignal. I trade a small amount of futures and do a lot of scalping and swing trading of equities, so I like to have a lot of charts up. I use 5 monitors for charts, T&S, L2, etc.. I also like the idea of getting a better data feed from Kinetick if it as fast or faster than my current Esignal data feed. In any case just wondering thoughts from everyone about the current version of NT w/Kinetick data feed from previous or current users of Esignal as well.

Thanks in advance.


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I have only traded ES and NQs with TWS and normally I use Esignal for equities. I would have liked using TWS, but I have been unable to find OHLC indicators for the charts. I also really like the Esignal power scanner and the hot lists for finding volatility in equities. I am able to nail 99% of my teachers picks with the power scanner, so I either pay him or sub to Esignal for the scanner. Something I need to work on being able to do with any trading tools; I know.

I use stockcharts for scanning (about 20 bucks a month with annual subscrition) and Finvis (free) for fundy scans.
Just wondering if eSignal added any value.

Don't use any indicators except price action. TWS has bracket orders that can be attached so exits are submitted when the order is placed and can be adjusted as the trade progresses.

It is hard to find the Truth when you start your search with a preconceived notion of what the Truth will be.
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Hi @t0030tr, you can also run the 32 bit version of NT (lack of 64 bit support from NT) just fine with the eSignal data feed anyway, runs very well for me in parallel with existing eSignal layouts. I don't know about Kinetic, except that it's just an IQFeed branding. I did try IQFeed, it was good, but not better than eSignal for me and many aspects of internal data were better on eSignal. As always it's just best to suck it and see, a few month's subs usually tells you what you need to know in all these areas. eSignal does remain pricey though.

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