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Any FDAX traders here?

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Hello,

I have question about stop loss order (stop market order) and trading FDAX - 10 contracts.
My question is it possible that I have only 2 tick slippage if my stop loss target is hit during the day session (9 to 17.30).
I have plan to trade FDAX futures 10 contracts via CQGIC trading platform.
Thank you

Is it possible? Absolutely ! Is it likely ? ....depends
What I would recommand u is start playing around in sim mode. This will give u a feel for slippage ( dont think u know antyhing too valuable from this for real money trading, but better then starting with real cash)

Next step watch the book, level 2 data.
This should give u an idea how "light" the book often is... bid/ask will only be very few contracts (like 1-5 )
So in any given sitation if there is 3 contracts on the bid/ask and only 3 on the next level ..u can imagine what a 10 contract stop order will do...

Slippage will obvsl also depend on a lot of factors. Is the stop order at a significant point ( above / below daily highs / lows, round market like 9800 /9700 ).. This areas will cause higher slippage than a stop in the middle of a intraday range...
News will make the book way lighter so that again will lead to way higher slippage...

( In the FDAX 1 Tick = 0.5 points... i think most of the CFD broker offer the Dax in 0.1 point ticks... never came across 1 tick = 0.25 points ( doesnt mean its not possible )
My experince in generall is that the slippage in the FDAX is in generall way smaller in the max number ( how high could slippage become ) .. but u will get 1 tick slippage even for 1 contract ALOT of the time, where a CFD broker might just give u your price...
Just my two cent....

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Hi,

I am a junior and cannot say I trade DAX but I will say that I try to trade DAX through CFD (or spread betting UK) and just wanted to post how it looks for me


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Slippage will obvsl also depend on a lot of factors. Is the stop order at a significant point ( above / below daily highs / lows, round market like 9800 /9700 ).. This areas will cause higher slippage than a stop in the middle of a intraday range...
News will make the book way lighter so that again will lead to way higher slippage...

1-2 points is a standard for me, if the price is moving really fast (breakouts etc) it can be up to even 5pts which is terrible


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( In the FDAX 1 Tick = 0.5 points... i think most of the CFD broker offer the Dax in 0.1 point ticks... never came across 1 tick = 0.25 points ( doesnt mean its not possible )

Mine is 0.2-0.3 (SB) and 0.25 (CFD) point

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Hi,

I am a junior and cannot say I trade DAX but I will say that I try to trade DAX through CFD (or spread betting UK) and just wanted to post how it looks for me

1-2 points is a standard for me, if the price is moving really fast (breakouts etc) it can be up to even 5pts which is terrible

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Looks good, but need to Know how you drive it. You'll tell us.

Trading Eurex FDAX probably you could get an average slippage lower than 1 point in a large time period.

Good luck!

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Looks good, but need to Know how you drive it. You'll tell us.

If I understood you correctly you'd like me to tell you how I (stressing this word) try to trade it?
I am a beginner and don't know what I'm doing most of the time heh but what I currently use is:
  • price action on 5mins (with 15 mins, 1h overview) + 20ema
  • support, resistance (going from daily, 4h, 1h, 15mins, 5 mins)
  • chart patterns (5, 15 mins)
  • correlation with FTSE (eg breakouts confirmation, similar structure)
  • 1 min rainbow chart (for exact entries and exits) - will probably drop it as it gives false hope
I use MetaTrader which is not the best platform for DAX.
Do you use similar approach?


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Trading Eurex FDAX probably you could get an average slippage lower than 1 point in a large time period.

The slippage will probably be the same just my my orders will be larger. As to the slippage I experienced a huge one today after London open more than 10 points on buy stop order - basically reversing my 1:2 RR to 2:1 RR (closed with +1.5pt)

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If I understood you correctly you'd like me to tell you how I (stressing this word) try to trade it?
I am a beginner and don't know what I'm doing most of the time heh but what I currently use is:
  • price action on 5mins (with 15 mins, 1h overview) + 20ema
  • support, resistance (going from daily, 4h, 1h, 15mins, 5 mins)
  • chart patterns (5, 15 mins)
  • correlation with FTSE (eg breakouts confirmation, similar structure)
  • 1 min rainbow chart (for exact entries and exits) - will probably drop it as it gives false hope
I use MetaTrader which is not the best platform for DAX.
Do you use similar approach?

...

cheers
Chris


Well, no, on how you drive it I meant for the future results. But it's good information what you've telled for if someone advices about something. For example; correlation with FTSE; as your general setup or approach, could be fine, it always depends on the trader when discretional trading, but I suggest at least also, perhaps rather than, look the correlation with SP500 and DOW.

My discretional approach, indicators speaking, is a bit of EMA, Heiken-Ashi, a bit of CCI, bit of MACD, and bit of RSI volume weighted.

Also I work with automated systems but not in this moment.

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I suggest at least also, perhaps rather than, look the correlation with SP500 and DOW.

Thanks, will investigate it more then (I know more indices follow SP500 and DOW).


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My discretional approach, indicators speaking, is a bit of EMA, Heiken-Ashi, a bit of CCI, bit of MACD, and bit of RSI volume weighted.

Is it heavily based on indicators?
I wrote some EAs (some are profitable on demo) but I'm not confident in them and there is a lot said everywhere that they cannot work (which I actually don't agree to the fullest).

May I ask if you're consistently profitable? I struggle with that and I've failed with indicators (or maybe that was just me, if I was more disciplined with them).

Thanks

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Is it heavily based on indicators?

65% based on indicators, 35% based on my my assessment of the circumstances and confident about what indicators are timely saying. Someone very good said a copule of days ago, that discretional trader has to know when indicators are telling him good information or noise.


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I wrote some EAs (some are profitable on demo) but I'm not confident in them and there is a lot said everywhere that they cannot work (which I actually don't agree to the fullest).

You know for a definitive conclusion; appropriate tests considering commissions and slippages.


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May I ask if you're consistently profitable? I struggle with that and I've failed with indicators (or maybe that was just me, if I was more disciplined with them).

Thanks

I would like to share some results curves with you now, but I don´t have them here. Honestly I would say yes (for now). But I need more time being that to think I can live from trading.

Not at all, cheers.

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65% based on indicators, 35% based on my my assessment of the circumstances and confident about what indicators are timely saying. Someone very good said a copule of days ago, that discretional trader has to know when indicators are telling him good information or noise.

Amen to that and the more knowledge one has the more useful some indicators become.


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You know for a definitive conclusion; appropriate tests considering commissions and slippages.

I have spread to fill first and boy there is a difference between DEMO and REAL (even with stop hunting).


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I would like to share some results curves with you now, but I don´t have them here. Honestly I would say yes (for now). But I need more time being that to think I can live from trading.

Congratulations, I'm yet to achieve real consistency (somewhat consistent for some time) but I know some of my trades well are a bit lucky and scalps which does not say much. I hope you're going to achieve decent consistency and confidence which will give you the choice of doing it full time

Thanks
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Congratulations, ... I hope you're going to achieve decent consistency and confidence which will give you the choice of doing it full time

Thanks
Chris

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Thank you for your advise and introduction @Wikmar
Hope your trading journey will be very successful and maybe one day I will meet you in the land of full time consistency

All the best and points/pips
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