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Even the sellers won't show...

And doesn't that tell you something....

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I am not completely unsympathetic to the OP's general point. I am not sure why the subject of the lack of transparency among successful traders is so controversial. There does seem to be an inverse relationship between success and transparency. On FIO, those most incline to show their full P&L seem to be the ones struggling the most. I'm not saying that people are fibbing (though I am sure there is some of that). I tend to believe most folks and also believe 200 ticks a month very doable. But surely there are reasons for the secrecy (some having been mentioned already), and the reasons could be perfectly legitimate. Why cant it be discussed? Seems a perfectly reasonable topic on a trading forum. More so than, "Grill the perfect burger", or, "So who here likes guns?" (as diversions, these topics are perfectly fine as well).

I would offer my own reasons, but having never averaged 200 ticks/month/contract I have nothing to add. Hopefully this will happen some day, and when it does it will be fully documented, just like my struggles have been on my journal to this point. Maybe then I will learn why the secrecy.


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I am not sure why the subject of the lack of transparency among successful traders is so controversial.

Hmmm....
If reading the thread from the first post to here:
Then you have been told of some journals that offer trades announced before taken with direction, entry, SL, exit.
Realtime.
And you can follow how the trade develops. You can follow all on your chart - and you see if the OP is
making points, ticks, money, $, € or whatever you like to see in his or eventually your own pocket too.
Thus is it really necessary to show in a P&L how many contracts the OP is handling to believe what traders
do here? There is no one paid for such service.
Just follow those realtime journals and get the *main* idea about it with one contract - and make your own calculations.

Now I am ready to leave this thread

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I took about a week off from the blog to see what would show up. Sadly, there is still no proof. And just for clarification, +200 ticks is per 1 lot. It is easy to trade 100 lot and make +200 ticks overall. But if we are talking 100 lots then it should be +20,000 ticks per month. I was trying to keep it simple but it looks like it caused some confusion. I hope this clarifies that.

I appreciate all your explanations as to why no one will show proof. However, the thread was asking if anyone would show proof that they can make +200 ticks per 1 lot per month consistently. Sadly, there have been none.

I am not a troll. And I am genuinely interested in seeing proof.

I'm sorry but it is not easy to trade a 100 lot on ES. I know the way it is being said here in regards to making 200 ticks on a 2 tick winner with an ES 100 lot but any way you cut it, it's not easy, and to say it is speaks to ones lack of development in this trading endeavor. In fact, this entire thread speaks to that.

I am nowhere ready to trade a 100 lot on ES. And even if I was I can't my account is to small IB won't let the order route to the CME. I tried. Best I could do was a 92 lot.....
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The psychological impact on a 100 lot on ES of each tick being $1250.00 is tremendous. It is by no stretch of the imagination easy. I think for many in this trading game it is routine but that does not mean it's easy.

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I took about a week off from the blog to see what would show up. Sadly, there is still no proof. And just for clarification, +200 ticks is per 1 lot. It is easy to trade 100 lot and make +200 ticks overall. But if we are talking 100 lots then it should be +20,000 ticks per month. I was trying to keep it simple but it looks like it caused some confusion. I hope this clarifies that.

I appreciate all your explanations as to why no one will show proof. However, the thread was asking if anyone would show proof that they can make +200 ticks per 1 lot per month consistently. Sadly, there have been none.

I am not a troll. And I am genuinely interested in seeing proof.

Any one able to trade that consistently is not going to trade a 1 lot average size per trade on the ES, it's not worth their time. They'll probably be trading a 5, 10, or 50 lot, so ironically someone making 2,000 ticks is probably excluded from your sample size because of your new constraints.

Regardless, if you want someone to "bite" to disclose performance statements, please see my previous post. If you can meet the requirements, I'll make the introductions. Or as previously suggested, let's just all admit that either the proof won't exist or it's simply not possible, so let's all go back to being productive and losing money.

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If you are doing random entries on retracements , fading using volume profile, or using some indicator, 200 ticks may seem like a huge deal.

However, if you know what you are doing you can get 15-50 points on the NQ in a single day. February and March you could get 2-3 20 point trades off and in the bag before East Coast lunch time. The last two months have been tougher, you either better catch the one clean move of the day or learn to trade/enter the overnight.

The hardest part about sizing up is being able to take a full stop on 2-3, or more contracts and re-enter if the original premise was correct, but you were early.

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200 pnts per contract per month?

i assume that is what the man is asking for ? is anyone making 200 pnts per contract per month.
it would be more likely to do on the ym than the es, because the ym moves more points in a day.
if you have 20 trading days in a month. that would be 10 pnts a day.
i would like to know if there are people who can do 10 pnts a day consistantly per contract too.
i would think so.
Buffy never even mentioned what she could make in pnts during a simtrading session.

i am always surprised at why people keep there trading such a secret. it is a subject no one talks about.

i think there should be a friendly competition and then publish each contestants results, and give the winner an opportunity to do a class on their strategy and technique. do it about once a month and vary the rules, maybe just hold it for an hour and half on friday afternoon, or tuesday evening. somthing that someone alot more savy with creating websites and programs could do. i am not that savy with that type of stuff.

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i am always surprised at why people keep there trading such a secret. it is a subject no one talks about.

In some cases, it's because their method may take a good 2-3 years to really internalize and trade properly.

Add to that, if you share your method in a forum like this, you run the risk of a bunch of people that know less than nothing telling you why it won't work or that you are doing it wrong.

Zero upside

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i am always surprised at why people keep there trading such a secret. it is a subject no one talks about.

i think there should be a friendly competition and then publish each contestants results, and give the winner an opportunity to do a class on their strategy and technique. do it about once a month and vary the rules, maybe just hold it for an hour and half on friday afternoon, or tuesday evening. somthing that someone alot more savy with creating websites and programs could do. i am not that savy with that type of stuff.

Trading is not a secret, just that no one has a reason to tell YOU. What real upside is in it for someone to enter a competition? Not much.

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In some cases, it's because their method may take a good 2-3 years to really internalize and trade properly.

Add to that, if you share your method in a forum like this, you run the risk of a bunch of people that know less than nothing telling you why it won't work or that you are doing it wrong.

Zero upside

I dont think that is why people dont share their method, i think it is to avoid criticism or they feel it is proprietary.
and i was referring to why people dont say how many points they make on a particular day and not what their strategy is.
and there are trading competitions, but i dont know why people wont enter. i think it is a good tool to let a trader know where they stand atleast in a certain cross section of traders.

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