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Alternatives to ES/CL???

I am mostly intraday trading ES and CL and live in Australia.
My problem is that the hours (basically midnight my time to 8am) are killing me.

To anyone living on this side of the world, what can you recommend as an alternative that moves during Asian hours, is volatile and reliable to trade as ES/CL??

Thanks for help.

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I am mostly intraday trading ES and CL and live in Australia.
My problem is that the hours (basically midnight my time to 8am) are killing me.

To anyone living on this side of the world, what can you recommend as an alternative that moves during Asian hours, is volatile and reliable to trade as ES/CL??

Thanks for help.

I heard that the Nikkei(NKD) is a good one! Or Forex/FX futures.

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Thanks for the reply. I just looked at NKD and volume is awefully low. I heard NKD is best traded not in USD (i.e. not on CME) but on the Asian exchange...

Currency futures are pretty hit and miss in Asia (6J, 6A etc).

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Thanks for the reply. I just looked at NKD and volume is awefully low. I heard NKD is best traded not in USD (i.e. not on CME) but on the Asian exchange...

Currency futures are pretty hit and miss in Asia (6J, 6A etc).

Volume may appear low, but you won't get excessive slippage. I know a few USD-using traders who do well with it. But hey, up to you

Well, other than Forex trading, markets are not too fast paced during the Asian session! If you swing trade, there is money to be made, but otherwise, I am not sure how to help.

There was a thread created in the past on this subject I believe. I am pretty sure all of the suggestions on that thread were primarily FX futures and Asian indices.

I wish you the best of luck!

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Thanks mate. I'm happy to look at NKD more seriously if I can hear from some traders who actually trade it and can share their experiences.

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NQ (e-mini Nasdaq) can move nicely during the Asian session (I'd use volume bars). Other than that, if 6A is no good to you, I suspect it may not be easy.

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Does NQ typically move more in Asia than does ES?

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Does NQ typically move more in Asia than does ES?


I have no objective, factual answer (though there must be one?) but from my limited experience it does.

I'm a former forex trader, and in my opinion NQ is a much better approximation to currency-pairs like Cable and EUR/USD than ES is, in terms of volatility, including at night (here: i.e. during the Asian session).

I don't actually trade at night, but from what I've seen I'd far rather try NQ than ES at these times of day. I'd certainly do so using volume bars, rather than time-period bars, though.

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I am mostly intraday trading ES and CL and live in Australia.
My problem is that the hours (basically midnight my time to 8am) are killing me.

To anyone living on this side of the world, what can you recommend as an alternative that moves during Asian hours, is volatile and reliable to trade as ES/CL??

Thanks for help.

What about just trading the US afternoon session?
Its starts at 5am your time and the then maybe the London open at 7pm.
You could continue to trade ES at 5am and maybe FESX, FDAX, FGBL at 7pm?

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