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Chinese Index Futures CSI300

Hi everybody,
Does anyone have information about the Chinese "e-mini"?
I'm interested to trade this contract!
I would love to hear any thoughts anyone might have about this contract.

- what brokers offer them?
- what does it cost?
- do one need an trading account in Hong Kong?
- what exchange are they traded on?
- etc..

Hopefully we can get a thread going about this!

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Hi everybody,
Does anyone have information about the Chinese "e-mini"?
I'm interested to trade this contract!
I would love to hear any thoughts anyone might have about this contract.

- what brokers offer them?
- what does it cost?
- do one need an trading account in Hong Kong?
- what exchange are they traded on?
- etc..

Hopefully we can get a thread going about this!

Sorry I cannot answer any of your question, but one for you, WHY?

Of course if you are really interested, I can ask a local broker to find if and how does it work for foreigner.

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Hi everybody,
Does anyone have information about the Chinese "e-mini"?
I'm interested to trade this contract!
I would love to hear any thoughts anyone might have about this contract.

- what brokers offer them?
- what does it cost?
- do one need an trading account in Hong Kong?
- what exchange are they traded on?
- etc..

Hopefully we can get a thread going about this!


Other than getting a Chinese broker to actually trade the Shanghai composite futures (can't get data into a foreign platform/broker), there are three options available for foreigners:

1. the Hang Seng - more HK stocks than mainland, an HKEX contract 50 HKD / point (mini - MHI 10 HKD / Pont)
2. the HHI or H shares - Mainland H-Shares listed in HKEX contract 50 HKD / Point
3. the Xina50 or A shares - mainland A shares with the contract out of the SGX - 2.5 USD / tick 2.5 tick min

The Xina50 is the closest proximity to the composite, but still less volatile. Its two digits thick on the DOM.

I trade all three through Interactive Brokers.

There are also a myriad of spread combos available for these as well....

Good Luck!

XS


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Hi everybody,
Does anyone have information about the Chinese "e-mini"?
I'm interested to trade this contract!
I would love to hear any thoughts anyone might have about this contract.

- what brokers offer them?
- what does it cost?
- do one need an trading account in Hong Kong?
- what exchange are they traded on?
- etc..

Hopefully we can get a thread going about this!

@xiaosi is pretty much bang on. You need to have mainland Chinese margin account funded in CNY, this is very very difficult for a foreigner. But you can get one as a QDII (you can search about it). You will need a mainland Chinese broker as well. the CSI 300 futures index is traded on the CFFEX (chinese financial futures exchange)

There are a couple of things you need to be aware of. Most commissions in the USA or Europe are flat fees, in china for futures its a flat fee + % of the contract notional value. So this % differs from broker to broker. Also margin requirements also change daily, so you need to keep track of otherwise you will get margin called. Also there is T and T+1 positions, so you will need to deal with much more complex order management than just FIFO. Do your homework, or you will end up paying the piper.

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@xiaosi is pretty much bang on. You need to have mainland Chinese margin account funded in CNY, this is very very difficult for a foreigner. But you can get one as a QDII (you can search about it). You will need a mainland Chinese broker as well. the CSI 300 futures index is traded on the CFFEX (chinese financial futures exchange)

There are a couple of things you need to be aware of. Most commissions in the USA or Europe are flat fees, in china for futures its a flat fee + % of the contract notional value. So this % differs from broker to broker. Also margin requirements also change daily, so you need to keep track of otherwise you will get margin called. Also there is T and T+1 positions, so you will need to deal with much more complex order management than just FIFO. Do your homework, or you will end up paying the piper.


Hey Trey, good to hear from you....was worried you got claimed by the bear! Hows the gigg going in Beijing? Have they got you jobbing for rebates yet?

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Hey Trey, good to hear from you....was worried you got claimed by the bear! Hows the gigg going in Beijing? Have they got you jobbing for rebates yet?

Haha good to hear from you too. No my portfolios are still in the chinese red. But has been hard and very busy lately. I am jobbing for fa piao but not exchange rebates. Actually if you do get exchange rebates your broker is going to take a slice out of you before he hands you the cheque which is bogus. Either way lets catch up personally. Dont want to high jack the thread.

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What other options are there as far as data feeds for Hang Seng Index/Futures? Have any of you used the commercial AAstocks?

I only know of Interactivebrokers but curious if there were others.

thanks

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What other options are there as far as data feeds for Hang Seng Index/Futures? Have any of you used the commercial AAstocks?

I only know of Interactivebrokers but curious if there were others.

thanks

Esignal

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I'm about to ditch eSignal again. They still can't provide level II and there are no continuous contracts. So if your trading relies on historical volume data, its very difficult. At the moment i'm trading the HHI, HSI, and Xina50 using eSignal and IB for level II and trades.

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