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Understanding the major participants in the FDAX

I have been watching the FDAX for the past 2 weeks and I have a few questions for the more experienced traders in this instrument. Who are the major players in this (institutional & commercial players & hedgers, large scalpers, large algos etc).? I'm asking because the pending orders are really thin at times & looking at the footprint I want to get an idea of what I am competing against so I can modify my method (mostly entries). TIA for your input.

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G'day Frosty. I am really only new to this whole side of trading, and this is my very first post on this forum, so forgive my green taint...
I have traded the FDAX open since the end of July, starting in SIM, but recently changing over to live. From what I understand, the major trading is done by insto's and punters make up the rest. My indicators all come through IDTA and (though I haven't used anything else) they all work extremely well and give a very clear indication of what you would expect from different signals.
Whilst in SIM, I managed to trade up an account from 10K, adding a contract with each progression of 8k, working on a value of AU$18 per tick, (12.5Euro) In 6 weeks I took the account to over 106K, before resetting al;l clocks and starting again with 20K and taking that to over 60K in 3 weeks. Then I went live...
I could not believe the psychological barriers a person would face when transitioning from SIM to live! The first few nights were pretty much what I had experienced in SIM, then I had one losing night, and couldn't seem to pull myself out of the crater it had formed. I ended up going back to SIM and did a few days in Live Market Replay, as well as real time SIM, before going back live.
I get a lot of information about the market from the Boerse Frankfurt exchange, though written in German, I let Google Translate it for me to get an idea of the market direction and what I can expect to see for the night.
In the DAX Sentiment Indicator it gives a breakdown of the sentiment from Institutional and Private investors, but I haven't been able to find anywhere which actually gives a breakdown of insto', algo' and private traders.

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Hi both.

I trade FDAX from years ago and I just have a vague idea about participants, this idea agrees with @Joe T ("major trading is done by insto's and punters make up the rest."). I'm interested in accurate information about this. Let's see if someone really knows about it.

I think it's interesting what @Joe T is experiencing (also that you have to trade in your nights, curious);

What do you think it's the reason for this big difference between SIM and real?. It's usual, but it's always interesting to analyze it. Especially considering your are strongly based on indicators working extremely well in your own words.

BTW; what is IDTA?.

Greetings from not so far...

Home people force

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Transition Glitch !?

I hear ya Joe !!!
The transition from SIM to live is unreal... can't believe the difference real money makes
Trading the same thing the same way.. only difference is that stupid thing called emotional capital !
It's amazing the way our minds reacts as soon as real capital is on the line.

I remember my transition was daunting to say the least;
In SIM, i had 2 losing days in 20... and what do you know.. go live and copped 3 straight losing days.
I had to go back to SIM within 3 days of trading live.. needed to get my head right before I went live again.

No book will prepare you for the transition... Mother market will sort out the wheat from the chaff

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IDTA - International Day Trading Academy.. its a day trading company that offers education here in Australia.

Cheers & happy trading ya all !

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I have been watching the FDAX for the past 2 weeks and I have a few questions for the more experienced traders in this instrument. Who are the major players in this (institutional & commercial players & hedgers, large scalpers, large algos etc).? I'm asking because the pending orders are really thin at times & looking at the footprint I want to get an idea of what I am competing against so I can modify my method (mostly entries). TIA for your input.

I had the same question. I ran across an article in Bloomberg some time ago and can not find it easily but basically the biggest players are Black Rock Capital and the Vanguard Group with something like $19 Billion invested followed up with some sovereign trust funds (Switzerland, Sweden etc.), and others…..then the little guys. Good Luck with trading the DAX!

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I had the same question. I ran across an article in Bloomberg some time ago and can not find it easily but basically the biggest players are Black Rock Capital and the Vanguard Group with something like $19 Billion invested followed up with some sovereign trust funds (Switzerland, Sweden etc.), and others…..then the little guys. Good Luck with trading the DAX!

Regards,

JohnS

Finally found the article> U.S. Buyers Own Largest Proportion of DAX Shares: Study - Bloomberg

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I have been watching the FDAX for the past 2 weeks and I have a few questions for the more experienced traders in this instrument. Who are the major players in this (institutional & commercial players & hedgers, large scalpers, large algos etc).?

Hi @Frostydc4

I am not telling you new things about the Future itself - it is mostly used by the big players to hedge as well as for
bigger players to squeeze the market in some ranging marktes.
But for the small player it is not important to know WHO is in that market too.
More important is to read the money flow INTO and OUT of this market and WHEN.
Get a picture about it and you know the answer!

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Hi @Frostydc4


More important is to read the money flow INTO and OUT of this market and WHEN.
Get a picture about it and you know the answer!

GFIs1

How did you do it?
The order flow is so thin comparing to the ES, sometimes it´s hard to believe, that these are the only trades going on....

Waiting, Discipline and Patience Pays!
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How did you do it?
The order flow is so thin comparing to the ES, sometimes it´s hard to believe, that these are the only trades going on....

Hello @pipandrun

In my journal thread I explained my understanding of the weekly money flow - it is more than only intraday:
So I see over weekend parked money comes in on Monday and Tuesday.
Then on Wednesday if the market is higher some take profits are to see.
On Friday money is parked again over weekend again.
Same is before major holidays.
That was my perception of the market every week.

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