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One year later into my trading career...........seeking guidance and direction

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I received a Reported Post about this thread. First, everyone needs to remain civil and not resort to name calling. If you are dealing with someone who isn't understanding you, instead of name calling just ignore them and move on. I've found you cannot force people to listen, and while some say they want to improve many simply don't take the actions to do so.

On the reverse, I remind everyone including the thread starter, then you can place a user on ignore if their posts upset you. If the thread starter ignores a user, that user will also be prevented from writing posts in your thread.




@tigertrader in particular, find a way to give advice without insulting people or calling them names. Or simply don't engage that user at all and move on to others who still benefit from what you write and who don't get your blood boiling. Either way, stop with the rude behavior.

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People give you their opinion, but you don't listen. You 'decide' something else and then tag the same 20 people asking for their opinion again.

@tigertrader took some considerable time to write those two posts. Read, research, and digest.

I get the sense lately that everyone wants everyone else to do the work for them. That isn't going to work. Figure out how to do it for yourself. Any time tiger or another poster post something I don't understand I google and research the hell out of it. People were missing tiger's commentary in the Spoo thread over Thanksgiving, they shouldn't have been. They should understand what tiger looks at and been making their own (and there was a few who were).

But again the idea isn't to learn how to trade like another trader. The idea is to figure out how to get past your own shortcomings, read what the market is saying, and then create actionable ideas and then execute them. If you can't do any of that then you can't trade. Trading isn't like little league, everyone doesn't get a trophy and an attaboy. Not everyone is gonna be a good trader.

I was asking about opinion and advice about my recent idea/perspective. (not related to posts given months ago).

Thank You.

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I was asking about opinion and advice about my recent idea/perspective. (not related to posts given months ago).

Thank You.

My point still stands. Learn to think for yourself... It doesn't matter the method or the strategy. If you cannot read, think, and create your own ideas nothing will work.

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We'll call it the Tigercator. The last indicator you will ever need.


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I received a Reported Post about this thread. First, everyone needs to remain civil and not resort to name calling. If you are dealing with someone who isn't understanding you, instead of name calling just ignore them and move on. I've found you cannot force people to listen, and while some say they want to improve many simply don't take the actions to do so.

On the reverse, I remind everyone including the thread starter, then you can place a user on ignore if their posts upset you. If the thread starter ignores a user, that user will also be prevented from writing posts in your thread.




@tigertrader in particular, find a way to give advice without insulting people or calling them names. Or simply don't engage that user at all and move on to others who still benefit from what you write and who don't get your blood boiling. Either way, stop with the rude behavior.

Mike

with all do respect @Big Mike, why i am being rude, when i respond to someone who has taken the initiative to insult me first? my response did not entail any profanity, and really wasn't a personal attack; but instead, an accurate assessment of my critic.

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with all do respect @Big Mike, why i am being rude, when i respond to someone who has taken the initiative to insult me first? my response did not entail any profanity, and really wasn't a personal attack; but instead, an accurate assessment of my critic.

I hope you didn't quote me thinking I was insulting you. As that wasn't my intention. I was simply playing off Dan's post.

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with all do respect @Big Mike, why i am being rude, when i respond to someone who has taken the initiative to insult me first? my response did not entail any profanity, and really wasn't a personal attack; but instead, an accurate assessment of my critic.

I understand. That person has been on my ignore list for a while so I don't see his posts. I very rarely use ignore, as administrator, but since someone else paid for his membership as a gift I feel bad banning him.

Just put him on ignore if you have too and move on

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Hi Pandawarrior,



Sorry if I am annoying you. The reason I tag you in my posts is that I value your input. You were one of the first few people that offered me advice when I was first starting out.





Why do you think I should get a job? (ie not trade)


You don't value anyone's input.....which is obvious to all but yourself.

It's also obvious to all you seem incapable of thinking for yourself. Therefore I suggest you get a job so you don't have to think.

Do not tag me again. I'm a reasonable and normally non confrontational person but I'm pretty much tired of your antics as I suspect most are.

I'll probably be taking @Big Mikes advice and placing you on the ignore list.

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if you would actually, THINK about what i'm saying, my lengthy ambiguous posts would have some meaning and would actually be of help to you. for someone who is going about the whole process of learning how to trade in an ass-backwards, myopic, & closed-minded manner, you are the last person who should be giving advice. my posts may seemingly be "ambiguous" or based on theory. and, i understand the word “theory,” makes most traders leery because they associate theory with theoretical , which implies impractical. but, if you define theory as a contingent explanation of cause and effect, it is eminently practical. a sound theory helps predict how actions or events lead to specific outcomes across a broad range of circumstances. my main message is that much of trading practice is unsound because it is based on poor practice as a result of improper theory. that is most traders generally dwell on attribute-based categorizations of the market i.e., patterns, formations and set-ups versus circumstance or contextual based categorizations. sound theories reflect context. most traders fail because the market doesn't do what they think it should, and this is because they really aren't trading the market. they don't take enough risk and they aren't patient enough to hold onto their winners. their theory of how to trade the market is flawed from the beginning and for most, they never come to a true understanding of how to effectively approach the market. a good theoretical understanding of how to approach trading leads to a practical application that is successful and profitable.

Dear Tiger, I truly apologize for being so dense that some of your writing doesn't make sense to me. I only assume that I'm not alone there and some other people may be not as bright as you are, otherwise everybody on this forum would be making a lot of money after reading and rereading your lenghy theoretical prose. So I just want them not to feel alone

Please don't take my inability to understand your brilliant advice personally. My intention is not to insult you, but simply to show that not everybody can think like you, understand the markets like you and trade like you. Wouldn't you agree that there are successful traders who trade and analyze the markets differently from you? You can't possibly claim monopoly over knowledge! There is a possibility of going another way, however "ass-backwards" it may seem to you.

I even agree with you on many parts of your well-though out, non-"patronizing" and "honest" posts, for example with this:
"most traders fail because the market doesn't do what they think it should, and this is because they really aren't trading the market".

So keep working that "chisel to break down the brick wall of ignorance that stands between success and failure." Don't give up on us!

I wish you much success, patience and empathy in the New Year!

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When you read the thread...

it is Anna K that initiates by referring to other members posts as lengthy, ambiguous, and of little or no use in real life trading.

Oh my God the irony.

Start it, uninitiated, with another member (who happens to be exactly correct) and then report the post that responds with similar tone and language?

I'll share my two cents.

Folks, if you want the input of someone who's humility and lack of a publicist prevented him from being featured in the pop psychology trading books that so many love...if you want the input of someone that was prolific for decades among floor trading legends...if you value the insight of an extremely well versed professional trader that is connected to the absolute top players in the history of the most competitive trading environments the world has ever seen....consider approaching Mr. long winded ambiguous low value poster @tigertrader with an open mind and the due respect that he well deserves for sharing here for free insight and information that could be worth millions of dollars.

@Big Mike like I have said a hundred times, your venue, your rules. I applaud what you have created here Mike and the countless hours of work, much of it tedious and a pain in the buttocks. This is a remarkable venue, without question the best on the net. I am beyond grateful to be a member here. I understand your reaction to a post being referred to moderator. That said, please consider an equal request be made to the other party by name like was made of Gary. His lengthy and thoughtful response to a struggling trader is EXACTLY what we want here as members. Dozens of Gary's posts should be required reading of anyone that wants to enter the fray and this one (referred to as low value ambiguity) is no exception. I have skin thicker than a rhino and I have, in fact, seen it all so the post that was directed at my friend is greeted with the hilarity that it deserves..but equal folks would take equal offense, for sure. Past that Gary amended his post to modify the intent so that it could be understood by a wider audience.

So, where does a cowboy in the jungle go for a month to get away from it all anyway. Hoping that was vacation and well deserved leisure.

Dan

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Gary...


do not bite on that.

Anna that reads as disingenuous, or satirical and frankly you ought to be ashamed. You can have the last word though and you can continue to be whoever you choose. No offense taken at the lengthy, ambiguous and low value comments, but this one here is a gem.

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