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Stops are just a way to control your risk. of course, if you are rich, you do not need to control your risk.

But your question was about trading the market from one side only. This has nothing to do with stops, as you can trade both directions with or without stops.

Intraday trading requirs stops,midterm trading,by the defenition,does not require stops.Yes the question was about trading from one side only,either long or short.

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I`ll try to answer.Two reasons: 1)Intraday doesn`t fit;2)The market ic cyclic.Did i answer you Q`s?I hope so.Now can we get back to the topic,please?Are there one side traders in here?Which marke theory you use to determine the midterm market cycles in index futures?

I dont know why you keep speaking about intraday trading. That has absolutely zero to do with anything in this thread. People swing trade (ie: multi day, multi week, multi month) both long and short. Surely you dont think that only intraday traders can go short?

Yes, the market is cyclic. Hence the question: Why would you only want to trade one part of the cycle, ie: only long.

Anyway, clearly the question will remain unanswered so ill bow out so that perhaps other people who trade like you do can address your original question.

Happy trading.

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Did a test using a basic strategy... Long trades only on the ES since June last year:

Average of 7.25 pts a day so far using the most basic strategy.
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Intraday trading requirs stops,midterm trading,by the defenition,does not require stops.Yes the question was about trading from one side only,either long or short.

Why do you think that swing trading does not require stops?

If you had taken the long signal at the close on November 29, 2007 at 1,469, would you have held your position all the way down to 666?

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Did a test using a basic strategy... Long trades only on the ES since June last year:

Average of 7.25 pts a day so far using the most basic strategy.
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Long only strategys work during bull markets. If your backtest uses a reference period, when the bulls were in charge, it will always look good. But is such a backtest predictive for future results, or otherwise put, do you think that the fact that we had a bull market increases the odds for a bull market next year?

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Did a test using a basic strategy... Long trades only on the ES since June last year:

Average of 7.25 pts a day so far using the most basic strategy.
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Definitely.Is there a chance that someone is making 7.25 points per day,all the way through the year?I never said i was looking for long trades only.I said,either long or short.

What basic strategy are you talking about,btw?

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Why do you think that swing trading does not require stops?

If you use stops,then it`s not midterm trading.It is that simple.I do agree that at times i`ll have to tread water,but it`s not the same as using stops.My entries are not perfect,so i have a trilemma here.To keep them as is,to continue to refine(hence this topic on futures.io (formerly BMT)),to start treading water(little experience here,so far).The third one could probably be the part of the second one.I`d choose to refine my entries,but so far no one is willing to chime in.


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I feel i wasn`t clear enough at the beginig.I shoulda put the title: "The midterm cycles traders" instead,my apology.I`m looking for both,long and short trades alike,only from the midterm perspective.Once again,sorry for the confusion.

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Position trading

I think what you are asking about is position trading, where you determine an overall market trend and the take and stick to that trend based position until the trend changes.

My "investment" friend from (big company) would tell you that position trading is the only long term money maker.. He lectures me and all his clients on getting in and staying in. He would even have you buy a stock thats sliding just for the net effect of the dividends.

To say I irritate him with being a futures trader would be an understatement. If I even say the words Day-trader makes him go ballistic on me.

If he wasnt a friend I'd let him know how wrong he is, but since I dont want to upset him....

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I think he was dead right.It`s the only long term money maker.Mess around with the market and you`ll get freaked.What 90% of the traders do is just messing with the market day in and day out.

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