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I am wondering if you might be thinking that settlement on expiration of a cash settled Index Futures contract exposes you to the same obligations as the settlement of a commodities futures contract. There is no deliverable with cash settlement, a truck will not pull up to your house and dump a pile of S&P stocks on your lawn. Your position will be closed at face value just as any intraday trade is settled. While if you allow a long contract on Hog Bellies to expire you are going to be eating bacon for the next ten years.

The nature of your questions suggest you want to hold Index futures contracts long term in your IRA and this will exposed you to overnight margin rates that exist at the time and you will need to anti up more funds to maintain the margin relationship if your position goes South and the unused cash balance in your account is not enough to cover the difference. And margin requirements are likely to change with market volatility. You can of course trade in and out of positions to mitigate risk as opposed to just establishing a bullish/bearish position that you don't touch until you need to roll over to a new contract. But I must underscore what Bob West has pointed to and that is unless you have already demonstrated a long track record of profitability... trading futures contracts with funds you do not want to lose is not a good idea.

There are options on index futures that can give you a longer reach and if you are on the long side, defined risk. There are complex options strategies that can limit risk but you would need to actively manage those positions. But if you are going to do that why not just trade SPX options instead of options on a futures derivative.

If you are thinking of trading within the IRA because of differed tax advantages then you first need to achieve and hold onto profits... and therein lies the rub. Your risk is that one day you will lift your head and realize that you have blown thru most of your retirement account. You need to decide if the imagined potential reward is worth it.

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Ah, I see.

I'm not sure if the notional value will help with that question. The issue of blowing up or not blowing up an account is one of risk and volatility. Also, of course, not being wrong a lot,( ) or by large amounts, and controlling your losses.

All of this comes down, pretty much, to the amount of margin you put up to back your trades (there are minimums, but no maximums). I guess you can say the notional value of the S&P, say is x amount, so I will only risk a given percentage of that, and if that's your reasoning, I suppose it makes some sense. What actually makes sense is not to put more at risk than you can afford to kiss good-bye to without a qualm.

Since we're talking about an IRA, we should be talking about a very small amount of what you have to trade/invest with. There are people who would say not to trade retirement money in futures, and definitely there are futures contracts that are inherently more risky, because of the speed they move and change, than others. Anything connected with NQ pretty much fits the description, at least to more conservative types.

But weighing those things is up to you. Futures are very risky, and the best rule is to keep your amount at risk to what you can easily lose, without any bad things happening to your retirement, finances or mental health....

Good luck.

Bob.

Thank you Bob! I will definitely keep that in mind.

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