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The Fiddy Cent stories and rumors have peaked my curiosity for quite a while. Thanks for linking I hadn't heard about the reveal.

Here's something this thread (is that just you? ~ You Can Lead a Horse To Water, But You Can’t Make It Drink) may find interesting.

More than You ever Wanted to Know about Volatility Swaps
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Volatility swaps are way too complicated for the likes of me.

There are other traders than Fiddy Cent that made big VIX trades, but usually these are multileg things like 1x2 backspreads that are hard for the financial press to grasp. A high concept idea like buying VIX calls at the 50 cent price point makes a good story.

You could say it was a kind of crude hedging strategy compared to what others do in the space, because traders usually want to find a way to finance those long VIX calls with short calls or VIX puts.

Calls like that decay fast and are very expensive over the long run.

A smarter approach is VIX call spreads 10 strikes wide, better use of capital than straight calls.


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VVIX is down to 134, so the smooth downward trend continues. Pretty soon it will be back within its normal range, between 80 and 120

Spot VIX and front month VIX futures are still at the 40 handle -- still in outer space, but down by half from what they were.

Here is one way of categorizing VIX that makes it easier to grasp:

Zone 1 -- green -- 8 to 13 complacency, mode of VIX is around 12
Zone 2 -- yellow -- 14 to 19 elevated tension, average of VIX in this zone
Zone 3 -- orange -- 19 to 22 market turmoil
Zone 4 -- red -- 23 and up, catastrophe

VIX will keep falling until it gets into the 20 handle in the next couple months.

I expect it will stay in 20 handle for some time.

For premium sellers this is heaven.


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So you think the equity market bottom is in?

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As for the market bottom being in, I think it's more likely that the VIX top is in than the SPX bottom.

VIX could keep gradually reverting to its mean even if SPX gradually tests the bottom over the next months.

Also, take a look at that smooth trendline on VVIX, now down to 136.

Pretty soon VVIX will be back at the top of the normal range, which is the 120 handle.

Trading ideas, as long as there is so much backwardation, VXX faces a stiff headwind so it may be more efficient to sell VIX call spreads of some sort.


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On the other hand, backtests show that long VIX call spreads are the way to go for VIX upside in a choppy backwardated market like this.

6 weeks out, short strike near the money long strike 10 strikes out.

If the market keeps chopping around in a range now between 2800 and 2300, which is my assumption near term, then one can use short VIX call spreads to finance your long VIX call spreads in a pairs trade.


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I think equities set new lows. While VIX may not set new highs, I'd be surprised if VIX doesn't move higher though at those lows.

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You could be right.

It's always smart to have a few VIX call spreads in your back pocket because it does tend to spike.

An example of what I am talking about would to buy the MAY VIX 42.5 52.5 call spread for 1.80 -- if you think we will be revisiting these levels.

The next leg down may take longer to play out than May.


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Election Risk Goose Egg

One interesting side note, if you look at the VIX term structure, the bump around election time has reappeared. Before the crash, that was a serious looking goose egg. Then when the whole structure lifted up, it disappeared.

Now it's coming back. At some point it will be tradable. August?


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Looking at May VIX, there's a lot of OI on the 35 through 29 strikes.

One could put together a 35 28 put spread with not such a bad RR, within the expected move.


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