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VWAP for stock index futures trading?

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I had my VWAP bands set to "Standard Deviation". Why is it set to "Variance"? According to the setup it should be SDs

VWAP on the chart
RTH VWAP is displayed as the green and red dot-dashed line in the centre of the chart.
ETH VWAP is displayed as the dodger blue and magenta dot-dashed line.
+1, +2 +3 and -1, -2 and -3 standard deviations (positive and negative multipliers of VWAP essentially)

I couldn't tell you why.. I had played around with Standard Deviation and noticed it wasn't plotting correctly. It was just drawing lines +1 +2 SD's above VWAP, when the chart I was comparing did not display that.

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So are vwap levels liquidity hunts

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As with most things in the World of trading, that comes with a yes and no answer.

VWAP is the average price a security has traded at throughout the day, based on both volume and price. It is a simple calculation and therefore it allows funds to quickly determine if stock that has been bought/sold for them, was done so at (or near) a fair price for the day.

Liquidity is the passive volume of orders that is looking for buyers/sellers. You see them (not always) on the DOM or software like BookMap/Jigsaw Vista.

VWAP can act as an area of enhanced liquidity ie. if an institution has been told to transact large orders for clients, the client is going to want to know the institution has done their best to get a net fair price for them (often the compensation is measured against where the institution managed to transact). As such when price approaches the VWAP level, funds can increase the liquidity available around that area simply because any transactions at that level, will be deemed fair and they'll get rewarded. As such, large traders can attempt to bring price to VWAP to see if it brings in sufficient liquidity - in such a case, it could be deemed a liquidity hunt.

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So are vwap levels liquidity hunts


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Under particular conditions trying to base VWAP evaluation as liquidity hunts may be misleading and even harmful to portfolio performance. Most institutional trading occurs filling orders that exceed the daily volume.

When large numbers of shares must be traded, liquidity concerns are against price goals. Then trade evaluation becomes more complicated. Action traders watch the market for this reason and try to benefit from those trades. A naïve investor could indiscreetly reveal her interest for the market or a particular stock. Action traders can then cut themselves in by capturing available liquidity and reselling it to an unskilled trader.

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I couldn't tell you why.. I had played around with Standard Deviation and noticed it wasn't plotting correctly. It was just drawing lines +1 +2 SD's above VWAP, when the chart I was comparing did not display that.


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I think I was able to make it work, this is the same day, 4/30/2020

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I think I was able to make it work, this is the same day, 4/30/2020

Looks correct. Here is part of my 4/30 pit session. I'm using a 1234 tick chart.

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Under particular conditions trying to base VWAP evaluation as liquidity hunts may be misleading and even harmful to portfolio performance. Most institutional trading occurs filling orders that exceed the daily volume.



When large numbers of shares must be traded, liquidity concerns are against price goals. Then trade evaluation becomes more complicated. Action traders watch the market for this reason and try to benefit from those trades. A naïve investor could indiscreetly reveal her interest for the market or a particular stock. Action traders can then cut themselves in by capturing available liquidity and reselling it to an unskilled trader.



Sounds like it’s better for futures but more difficult with stocks which can get a earnings call either which way


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Looks correct. Here is part of my 4/30 pit session. I'm using a 1234 tick chart.

Is that on Sierra? I like your color settings and band shading. Do you mind sharing the chart?

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Is that on Sierra? I like your color settings and band shading. Do you mind sharing the chart?

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Thank you!

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Thank you!

NP.
Might have to play around with the Overlay study to grab your ETH VWAP. Hope it helps.

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