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I'm living in Canada. I'm looking for some clearly defined steps to begin trading E-minis on the S&P500.

I've fairly exhaustively searched the internet for some clearly delineated process to begin trading emini futures but I have been unable to find anything that takes you from A to Z without some critical steps being lost along the way.

I'd like to know the following as clearly as possible with any links if possible.

- Which Brokerage is the best, not the best for me or one other person, just the highest rated for trading E mini's in Canada specifically.

- What is the minimum investment to get started, I've heard several different ones and need some concrete information on this.

- I'm having a lot of trouble and would like some clear and concise guidance on how to get started down this path.


I appreciate any help

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I'm living in Canada. I'm looking for some clearly defined steps to begin trading E-minis on the S&P500.

I've fairly exhaustively searched the internet for some clearly delineated process to begin trading emini futures but I have been unable to find anything that takes you from A to Z without some critical steps being lost along the way.

I'd like to know the following as clearly as possible with any links if possible.

- Which Brokerage is the best, not the best for me or one other person, just the highest rated for trading E mini's in Canada specifically.

- What is the minimum investment to get started, I've heard several different ones and need some concrete information on this.

- I'm having a lot of trouble and would like some clear and concise guidance on how to get started down this path.


I appreciate any help


1- cant comment on brokers outside of USA... I think IB would work for you.

2- learn price action Al brooks is a common one, google/youtuube PATS es trading

3- whatever cash you can take outside and burn I call this stripper cash anything you throw away is what you should put in your account... for some its 20k and for others its 2k.

look on price action in the search here

google google google

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I'm living in Canada. I'm looking for some clearly defined steps to begin trading E-minis on the S&P500.

I've fairly exhaustively searched the internet for some clearly delineated process to begin trading emini futures but I have been unable to find anything that takes you from A to Z without some critical steps being lost along the way.

I'd like to know the following as clearly as possible with any links if possible.

- Which Brokerage is the best, not the best for me or one other person, just the highest rated for trading E mini's in Canada specifically.

- What is the minimum investment to get started, I've heard several different ones and need some concrete information on this.

- I'm having a lot of trouble and would like some clear and concise guidance on how to get started down this path.


I appreciate any help

You say you've looked exhaustively but all info is readily available. Figure out which platform you want to use (Ninjatrader, Sierra Charts etc...).
IB (Interactive Brokers) is the biggest and safest bet for Canada I believe. You need a 10k deposit to trade futures.

If you haven't traded before or practiced and studied A LOT you will absolutely lose that money. As stated above, don't use money you need to live thinking you will make some extra easy cash...

Then begin the several years most of us seem to take to become profitable (or even breakeven).

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I believe I was unclear in my questions.

So, having read the responses, I'll rephrase the two that matter.

- Platform and Brokerage for Canada - Which are best?

- Initial investment, What is the REQUIRED minimum?

I appreciate the 'start up' advice I've received so far, and the alacrity with which I received it.

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I believe I was unclear in my questions.

So, having read the responses, I'll rephrase the two that matter.

- Platform and Brokerage for Canada - Which are best?

- Initial investment, What is the REQUIRED minimum?

I appreciate the 'start up' advice I've received so far, and the alacrity with which I received it.

"alacrity" had to look this up. nice (English not my first language)

Best brokerage depends on your personal pref but considering the nanny gov limits your choices IB is the best solution imo.
requ mini 10K better 12

As for your first post "clearly delineated process" it's personal preference again. FT71 and or Brooks webinars are extremely informative for me and many others. Brooks latest shows you a clearly delineated step by step process.
Jeff Quinto a CME member published a doc which I think is worthwhile to study. https://www.cmegroup.com/education/files/education_team_booklet.pdf

GL

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I believe I was unclear in my questions.

So, having read the responses, I'll rephrase the two that matter.

- Platform and Brokerage for Canada - Which are best?

- Initial investment, What is the REQUIRED minimum?

I appreciate the 'start up' advice I've received so far, and the alacrity with which I received it.

Well, if you are looking for a brokerage that is located in Canada is IB.
If you don't mind USA brokerage that accepts residents in Canada there are few I can think of.
GFF Brokers, Stage 5, Cannon, and Generic trade. If you are not in BC I believe there are few more brokers out there.

You have to research which platform works with each broker though.

As far as your initial investment or required minimum deposit, you can easily contact them directly and they'll be happy to help you with margins.

I hope you can find out what you are looking for.

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For Canada IB. There might be something else out there but IB is adequate.

$10,000 minimum to open an account. You should probably have more so you can have a little drawdown room.

IB has a demo account you can play with. If you can't make money with a demo you are not going to make it real time. Even if you can make money with demo it doesn't guarantee you will do OK real time because the fills and the emotions are different real time.

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We take Canadians, but do you have a preference for a software? A lot will depend on that.

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Hey Man,


Trust me I know what you're going through, Canada is the backwater when it comes to futures. Info is inconsistent and hard to come by, often contradictory and incomplete. I've just finally set up my trading desk after many, many emails and phone calls to brokers, data providers, etc etc...

So, the best broker to go with is IB imho, there are a few in the states that you can find but, they are probably not as well known, no protections (think IIROC) and they may not be as able to provide what you need at tax time. So first off set up an account with IB, which in itself will require a lot of paperwork and back and forth. Don't be afraid to ask (call) many questions when setting up an account. You will get one answer from one person, then another from a different dept - use the net as well to finally hone in on an answer. When applying for trading for futures with IB your liquid net worth has to be north of $100,000 USD with an income to match and you must be an 'expert' (years of futures trading exp with > 100 trades). Mind you they don't exactly vet the info you enter when setting up an account...
You'll also need to subscribe to CME data from IB - even though you should go with a 3rd party data provider to properly
populate your charts.

Once that is set up you should use a order entry system besides TWS (native IB platform) since it does not support tick charts (best for futures trading) or have proper unfiltered tick data. Ninjatrader is a popular choice.

After that you need a data provide for the tick data that you will use to populate your tick charts in NT (or other order entry application). A popular choice is Kinetick - note that some data providers don't provide data to Canada? Once again don't be shy about sending MANY emails asking questions. If you're not sure of the answer, send more emails to clarify. Most companies are actually pretty good about responding since you are a prospective customer.

Then you need to tie it all together. Set up your OE system to connect to IB and your data providers (change config settings in app) and change config settings in the IB TWS system. If you go with IB you still need to have TWS running at the same time as your OE. This actually isn't that bad (in hindsight) but you're going to again have to send emails/make phone calls to do it properly. It's GOING to be frustrating but you can get through it.

Lastly be aware of your running costs. A good OE like Ninjatrader will cost between $60-75/month USD. Data providers will be in the are of about $50 - $75 USD. And of course you'll need to pay for the IB CME data as well.

Account mins at IB for retail I'm not sure (I use a corp account) but either way there is no 'deal' on margin when buying or selling a contract - you pay face market value, approx $4,000 and change CAD at the time of this post. Once again we're in Canada so we just can't get those sweet deals of like $500 per contract. It sucks but if you want to do this its the way it is.

Good luck! It's a lot to do but when you finally see your chart live that in itself is an accomplishment (in Canada anyway)

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It's July 2020, is IB still the default preferred broker for Canadians?

Looking to trade futures from Ontario Canada... any recommendations on broker/data feed? IB seems to come up a lot, what about others? Would also like to use a good DOM (Jigsaw or Bookmap). If CDN traders use IB, do they get data from elsewhere?


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In July of 2020, Interactive Brokers requires a net worth of 100,000$ in order to trade futures. I am still looking for Canadian brokers that trade futures, but have a less severe net worth requirement.

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@LeftShoe... for starters might put
< canada > or < canada broker > in the Search box in upper right.
And check out Edge Clear, they gave a presentation recently on FIO and I think that said they do. Ironbeam and Optimus Futures do too I think, off the top anyway...

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In July of 2020, Interactive Brokers requires a net worth of 100,000$ in order to trade futures. I am still looking for Canadian brokers that trade futures, but have a less severe net worth requirement.

Ironbeam gives Canadian accounts same as US people. That too, $500 account for day trading ES and NQ. Check it out.

I use Ninjatrader 7 lifetime license and they gave me Rithmic data feed.

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are these brokers like GFF Brokers, AMP trustworthy? Like their websites are so shady. also on scamadviser AMPfutures shows as completely risky.

I am new in CANADA, and after a lot of intensive research on how to get into the US markets, I recently opened an account with IB but they require a lot of margins to trade eminis, etc. I was ok with it since it didn't seem like there was no other better option than it.

Recently I got to know about AMP, GFF, etc offering very low margin requirements. Since they aren't in limelight and their website looks sketchy to me like I haven't seen any brokers website like them before , will I be ok to trade or are these good legitimate brokers ?

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