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Never got around to saying this but I read through the strategy and it sounds awesome! Thanks for sharing.

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Thank you all for the kind emails and continued support

The S&P Chronicles should return shortly. Due to other projects that have come to pass (unable to disclose) time has been somewhat restricted.

All the best,

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Does any body speak English !

 
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Wyckoff, VSA and Logical Price action approach to Crude, and why we have been shorting this instrument:

Selling climax?
Oversold
Upthrust
No demand
Structure
Wyckoffian Logic
Multiple timeframes

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Wyckoff, VSA and Logical Price action approach to Crude, and why we have been shorting this instrument:

Selling climax?
Oversold
Upthrust
No demand
Structure
Wyckoffian Logic
Multiple timeframes

PDF attached


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Hi Feibel,

registered an account just to say thanks for these analysis.

one question,

say a 3 days consolidation was broken downwards and we are rallying back to ice after 3 days. Often I find that trading the immediate re-test is difficult because essentially we are fading a strong intraday upwards. I find that entering at the first pin rejection, there would be momentum remaining that is enough to take out my SL at the top of pin, despite weis wave is showing effort but little result.


Is there any additional signs or confirmations you would wait for before entering for these?


In comparison, intraday creek / ice is so much easier to time entry.


Attached charts are from today. Price has gapped down from last Friday consolidation and Red arrow is where I entered short two times. Also below the chart is where it shows strong effort v result.
The last 15m chart shows the overall picture and where price eventually went.






Is it just one of those days that the market doesnt follow the chart? But its more likely im missing something very important and still have a lot to learn, because this isnt the first time i get the timing wrong on rally back to ice that span across a few days which to me the difficulty lies in that this is fading an intraday uptrend.

Would love to hear everyone's insight on this matter. Can't thank you guys enough.

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Thank you very much for the kind words.

Apologies for the late reply, the wife booked a surprise trip to Switzerland for the festive period (no trading allowed)

There is not enough data on your charts as I cant see an established trading range/support area for ice to form, in any case one must analyse the demand/supply equation on the approach to ice. Is it buying of good quality or bad quality? How deep was penetration of ice (the strength of sellers) was the move checked with a high volume bar, acting semi climatic, or did the sellers exhaust themselves (big difference). How are the waves of selling compared to the waves of buying? as there will be subtleties in the price action etc.

The S&P Chronicles will return (minimum two a week) However due to the recent trading conditions (extreme volatility) to be honest the best I have ever witnessed (one is very lucky to have these present conditions/environment) I want to spend my time actively trading, making hay when the sun shines, it wont be long until the market is range bound and will last for months, building cause for the next big move.

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Thank you very much for the kind words.

Apologies for the late reply, the wife booked a surprise trip to Switzerland for the festive period (no trading allowed)

There is not enough data on your charts as I cant see an established trading range/support area for ice to form, in any case one must analyse the demand/supply equation on the approach to ice. Is it buying of good quality or bad quality? How deep was penetration of ice (the strength of sellers) was the move checked with a high volume bar, acting semi climatic, or did the sellers exhaust themselves (big difference). How are the waves of selling compared to the waves of buying? as there will be subtleties in the price action etc.

The S&P Chronicles will return (minimum two a week) However due to the recent trading conditions (extreme volatility) to be honest the best I have ever witnessed (one is very lucky to have these present conditions/environment) I want to spend my time actively trading, making hay when the sun shines, it wont be long until the market is range bound and will last for months, building cause for the next big move.

All the best,

F

thank you for your reply.
I must admit, i didnt consider any of those factors you mentioned!! now i have a better understanding on what to look for. much appreciated.

One more question, I wonder if you have ever incorporated reading Times & sales into your trading decision?

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Great thread. Hope the OP will continue posting.

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Great thread. Hope the OP will continue posting.

He is posting regularly on twitter now.


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Now monetized. Not a big surprise.

Yeah, it's hard to trade for a living. Easier to sell the dream. There's a sucker born every minute.

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Yeah, it's hard to trade for a living. Easier to sell the dream. There's a sucker born every minute.

"There are those who think they are studying the market -- what all they are doing is studying what someone said about the market ... not what the market has said about itself. "
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Agree. I believe those analysis were mostly hindsight analysis. He didn't really trade them real time.

 
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Agree. I believe those analysis were mostly hindsight analysis. He didn't really trade them real time.

......not mostly, entirely.

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You've really got it in for this guy Linds. Did he rip you off or something? Jokes...

I'm not planning on dropping $2k on his course but this has been one of the most helpful journals on the forum for me.

That said I bet that course is good for anyone looking to trade like this. And I think its absolutely possible to trade like this.

Not trying to be contentious and I get the industry is full of scammers but I don't get that feeling here.



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......not mostly, entirely.



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Yeah, it's hard to trade for a living. Easier to sell the dream. There's a sucker born every minute.

"There are those who think they are studying the market -- what all they are doing is studying what someone said about the market ... not what the market has said about itself. "
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Why so negative and hating on the people that support him? Leave him be. He did no harm and if he is making money educating people then good for him...and them. I saw nothing wrong with the principles he put forward.

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Why so negative and hating on the people that support him? Leave him be. He did no harm and if he is making money educating people then good for him...and them. I saw nothing wrong with the principles he put forward.

well, if he is selling something, then this thread would be a violation of the forum rules. unfortunately this is not very uncommon

but let's see what our administrators have to say


edit: as far as I know, if he informed the authorities about his status change (vendor), then all should be good. at least I believe so...

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I actually enjoyed this thread, and don't understand all the negativity... he was always gracious with his posts and his time spent answering questions, never broke the rules here or pushed his wares, and was well liked by everyone except people who specifically have some sort of problem with the concept of vendors in general.

So yeah.. completely disregard the hundreds of posts and hours put into this thread by the OP and his valuable contribution to the community...

Edit: I should note that I was not aware that OP had started selling stuff, and he has not posted here since doing so.

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I actually enjoyed this thread, and don't understand all the negativity... he was always gracious with his posts and his time spent answering questions, never broke the rules here or pushed his wares, and was well liked by everyone except people who specifically have some sort of problem with the concept of vendors in general.

So yeah.. completely disregard the hundreds of posts and hours put into this thread by the OP and his valuable contribution to the community...

Edit: I should note that I was not aware that OP had started selling stuff, and he has not posted here since doing so.

This whole thread was just part of his marketing front. Anyway, it's OK for him to sell his education service -- as long as he can provide verifiable proof that he is a consistently profitable trader.

 
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Thanks for reporting the thread guys.

I am not aware whether @Feibel has got in touch with @Big Mike to change his status to vendor, given it appears he is now selling something and thus he must do so.

I have flagged this up to Mike so that when he's available he can take the appropriate action.

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I'm not trying to defend the guy, merely pointing out that while he was active here he was not breaking any of the rules.

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Thanks for reporting the thread guys.

I am not aware whether @Feibel has got in touch with @Big Mike to change his status to vendor, given it appears he is now selling something and thus he must do so.

I have flagged this up to Mike so that when he's available he can take the appropriate action.


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I'm not trying to defend the guy, merely pointing out that while he was active here he was not breaking any of the rules.

I think this is the most reasonable course to take.

I read a few of his posts (I think they were all pdf's), and I thought (a) they were reasonable hindsight-type chart analysis, which can have some value, and (b) I wondered if he was selling something, but he never made a pitch that I recall. I didn't read all that much of them, so I don't know for sure, but I gather he didn't.

Even if he didn't, I think he did need to address any vendor status with Mike if and when he became an active vendor, whether he made a pitch on FIO or not. So I think it is best left in @Big Mike's hands now.

I personally have no gripe with him; many people put up charts and may not trade them. That's not necessarily what FIO is good for, but there's nothing wrong with it if there's no undisclosed vendor angle, which is the issue.

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I donít understand all the negativity around Feibelís thread.

IMHO this is probably the best thread I have ever read on FIO. Iíve not paid Feibel anything and yet his thread has been a big part of how I developed as a trader and managed to get funded at a prop trading desk. Iíve known about Wykoff from before and had studied it myself but reading his thread really helped me nail down some of the concepts much better.

I donít care if he wrote the chronicle after the market or before it really doesnít matter to me in terms of the value of the education. How many people actually consistently produce a daily report like that everyday to that level of detail and further how many would share that and answer anyoneís questions regarding it for free at no cost?

If people canít see any value in it, or itís not the way they view the markets and they rather use Elliot wave or market profile or some indicators or whatever then thatís cool just go and do that. I donít see the need to constantly try and make an issue out of this thread that is actually helping some people.

Everybody here is grown up enough to make their own assessment of his efforts and agenda, and I donít need to be saved or protected by anyone, I find that whole idea kind of insulting really.

Thanks so much Feibel for all youíve shared here despite all the attacks! I for one have greatly benefited from your efforts and Iím sure if others have really taken time to digest and work through your chronicles, I canít be the only one.

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I donít understand all the negativity around Feibelís thread.

IMHO this is probably the best thread I have ever read on FIO. Iíve not paid Feibel anything and yet his thread has been a big part of how I developed as a trader and managed to get funded at a prop trading desk. Iíve known about Wykoff from before and had studied it myself but reading his thread really helped me nail down some of the concepts much better.

I donít care if he wrote the chronicle after the market or before it really doesnít matter to me in terms of the value of the education. How many people actually consistently produce a daily report like that everyday to that level of detail and further how many would share that and answer anyoneís questions regarding it for free at no cost?

If people canít see any value in it, or itís not the way they view the markets and they rather use Elliot wave or market profile or some indicators or whatever then thatís cool just go and do that. I donít see the need to constantly try and make an issue out of this thread that is actually helping some people.

Everybody here is grown up enough to make their own assessment of his efforts and agenda, and I donít need to be saved or protected by anyone, I find that whole idea kind of insulting really.

Thanks so much Feibel for all youíve shared here despite all the attacks! I for one have greatly benefited from your efforts and Iím sure if others have really taken time to digest and work through your chronicles, I canít be the only one.


^this

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^this

Yes, in terms of educational value this might be one of the best threads at FIO. Yet the OP did it with a commercial motive.

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Yes, in terms of educational value this might be one of the best threads at FIO. Yet the OP did it with a commercial motive.

If he had a commercial motive, which I don't know one way or the other, then he broke important forum rules by not registering as a vendor. If he didn't have that kind of motive, there's no problem.

If he provided educational value, that's great, but there are still the vendor rules, which are very important. The members of FIO are, as a group, a delicious feast for trading-related vendors, and vendors don't have to be scamming anyone to want to get a piece of this feast. But if they were allowed to, then FIO would no longer be a good place to exchange ideas and become a better trader. This would be true whether some of the vendors were providing value or not.

So every vendor has to identify themselves and is required to comply with other rules to keep things honest. This is true even of site sponsors. Traders need to know who they are dealing with.

I'll say again that I have nothing against the OP, and I agree that a person who found his posts valuable could learn from them. The issue is whether he was upfront about what he was doing -- in particular, whether he was prospecting for business while seeming to be just an experienced trader who wanted to help others.

There are people who are strongly pro and others who are strongly anti the OP. That's all fine, but my issue is just whether everything is OK by the vendor rules. Vendors do get to post here, and if they provide value it's assumed that some members will want to look into what they have to offer, which they can pursue outside the forum, so that's a win-win. But they have to identify themselves as vendors, that is, as having a commercial motive, and they do not get to do self-promotion.

Within those rules, if they apply to him, I'm fine with whatever he does. If they don't apply to him, I'm fine with that too. So now it's between him and @Big Mike. Not my call, or anyone else's.

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If he had a commercial motive, which I don't know one way or the other, then he broke important forum rules by not registering as a vendor. If he didn't have that kind of motive, there's no problem.

If he provided educational value, that's great, but there are still the vendor rules, which are very important. The members of FIO are, as a group, a delicious feast for trading-related vendors, and vendors don't have to be scamming anyone to want to get a piece of this feast. But if they were allowed to, then FIO would no longer be a good place to exchange ideas and become a better trader. This would be true whether some of the vendors were providing value or not.

The OP's commercial site is just up and running. A professional looking website like that and associated business take at least 1~2 years to plan and execute. That coincides with start time of this thread. So it's a reasonable assumption that when he created the thread, the construction of his trading education business was already in process. Or, in other words, the thread was part of his business plan. Still, I want to thank Feibel for this thread, which is free and has a lot of educational value.

 
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A professional looking website like that and associated business take at least 1~2 years to plan and execute.

I beg to differ. As someone that has built plenty of websites and businesses I've never spent 1-2 years planning a business and/or building a website. Trying to rank a website is a different matter.

I'm inclined to think this idea evolved as people showed interest.

And I haven't seen him shilling his services or wares once here so the manhunt all seems a bit pointless to me.

And I strongly doubt we will see Feibel back here posting again now anyway. Our loss.


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I beg to differ. As someone that has built plenty of websites and businesses I've never spent 1-2 years planning a business and/or building a website. Trying to rank a website is a different matter.

I'm inclined to think this idea evolved as people showed interest.

And I haven't seen him shilling his services or wares once here so the manhunt all seems a bit pointless to me.

And I strongly doubt we will see Feibel back here posting again now anyway. Our loss.

That just proves you never planned and built any business. There's no manhunt here. Being commercial is not a crime. Why does it hurt so much for some people ? Looking at your profile I understand why you said those. As a newbie you want to believe there are traders who genuinely want to spend a lot of effort to help other traders. The reality is cold and hard. I was like you years ago. Five years from now you'll think different. It takes at least two hours everyday to make those PDF files. Anyone who believes Feidel did that for the sole purpose of helping other traders doesn't stand a chance in the market. That's just too much wishful thinking and the market doesn't tolerate any wishful thinking type.

No loss for you at all. Go to his website and subscribe to his service.

 
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I own two 7 figure turnover businesses which I planned and built myself.

Thanks for the advice.



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That just proves you never planned and built any business. There's no manhunt here. Being commercial is not a crime. Why does it hurt so much for some people ? Looking at your profile I understand why you said those. As a newbie you want to believe there are traders who genuinely want to spend a lot of effort to help other traders. The reality is cold and hard. I was like you years ago. Five years from now you'll think different. It takes at least two hours everyday to make those PDF files. Anyone who believes Feidel did that for the sole purpose of helping other traders doesn't stand a chance in the market. That's just too much wishful thinking and the market doesn't tolerate any wishful thinking type.

No loss for you at all. Go to his website and subscribe to his service.



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Thanks for the advice.

I own London Bridge, which I planned and built in less than one year.

 
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I own London Bridge, which I planned and built in less than one year.

Please, can we avoid sarcastic and unhelpful off-topic comments. Leave the management of the thread/matter to @Big Mike.

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Why so negative and hating on the people that support him? Leave him be. He did no harm and if he is making money educating people then good for him...and them. I saw nothing wrong with the principles he put forward.


I think this forum is about helping each other for free with no financial intention to become better as a trader - through answering questions, discussion, publishing and exchanging ideas, journals and software (indicators) - in a positive, constructive and respectful way.

Feibels contribution to the forum was, and still is, highly appreciated by me and many others (as can be seen by some reactions and many thanks) because we learn from his skilled and in depth after day market analysis.

Feibel stated in his first post he would show that it is indeed possible to make money from the markets. This he did not do because no statements were shown. All he did was posting after day analysis with possible setups. The claim he makes money by trading these setups is not verified.

I think Feibel should still be welcome and be able to publish his analysis but under the vendor label as he is now selling courses like many others on tradingview, stocktwits and youtube claiming they can teach you to become also profitable but few show proof of it.

Everybody should decide for them self to make use of Feibels offerings but it should be clear from now he is a vendor.

Maybe there are others who can, and are willing to, show these principles? Helping each other for free is the power behind the success of FIO. Thanks Mike. Let's keep it that way.

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I think this forum is about helping each other for free with no financial intention to become better as a trader - through answering questions, discussion, publishing and exchanging ideas, journals and software (indicators) - in a positive, constructive and respectful way.

Fully agree. The value of what Feibel shared here is undeniable. It is the best of all threads at the forum. And I thank him for that.

Only one advice for anyone who's considering subscribing to his service. Before you purchase his service, make sure you get a verifiable proof of his trading performance. He's under no obligation to provide such proof when he shared information for free. Now that he is a vendor, he is obligated to provide such proof for his potential clients.

 
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Wyckoff today. Crude delivered again. Wait till the market reveals itself and go with the flow. Enjoy!

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Wyckoff today. Crude delivered again. Wait till the market reveals itself and go with the flow. Enjoy!

Are you the next to go commercial, following Feibel's foot steps ?

Just kidding.

 
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I agree that there are value provided to this thread by Feibel, thats actually the reason why i signed on FIO.
But if one looks critically at his posts, and i have read almost all of his pdf's, its easily visible that half of the analysis is in hindsight. if he would trade like he posts, he would not create those pdf's and he would not create teaching courses for 2.5k and 4k. He would earn enough from his trading.
im not saying he is not profitable, but one that has extensive wyckoff knowledge (and he has it) can have good trades in market and education is just additional income stream.
i just personally dont like that from his posts it seams he catches for most of the time the down move and up move in existing day for that specific asset, thats the only BS i see.

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Good chart from the OP.

Further insights into the chart have been included, hopefully I can steer the OP or others reading the content in the right direction.

Wyckoffian and VSA Concepts include:

Springs,
Structure,
Channels,
Trade management
Effort vs. Result
Parabolic movement?

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Are you the next to go commercial, following Feibel's foot steps ?

Just kidding.

if you go commercial in China ,i will take your course .


I must thank the Chronicle. It's the best I've ever seen. I don't care if it's foresight or hindsight. For me, it's useful sight.

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Amazing, how a man called Richard D. Wyckoff 100 years ago described the working of today's markets and especially trading ranges. Attached two examples of distribution on the 1m chart, 1 from March 18 and 1 from yesterday March 28.

I hope Feibel doesn't mind me posting in his thread but it's all about Wyckoff and price action trading. Just want to show it.

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Amazing, how a man called Richard D. Wyckoff 100 years ago described the working of today's markets and especially trading ranges. Attached two examples of distribution on the 1m chart, 1 from March 18 and 1 from yesterday March 28.

I hope Feibel doesn't mind me posting in his thread but it's all about Wyckoff and price action trading. Just want to show it.

Feel free to post, the purpose of this thread is too help others. The 1m distribution areas you have shared are excellent.

Recently had a heated debate with a group of London traders in regards to the markets being fractal in nature, 'load of baloney' apparently, interesting how the minds of institutional traders operate......

Thanks for sharing,

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Amazing, how a man called Richard D. Wyckoff 100 years ago described the working of today's markets and especially trading ranges. Attached two examples of distribution on the 1m chart, 1 from March 18 and 1 from yesterday March 28.


Nice markup @Mich62

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How to pick a top. Another nice distribution in the ES yesterday despite the strong uptrend. I made this analysis and thought might as well post it. Hope you like it.

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Some early morning price action today in the ES on a 30s chart. Yes, that's right, a 30s chart. How low can you go?

Every trader has his one preferred trading time-frame. Often price movement on a lower time-frame is called "noise". I believe there is no noise. Every tick, every bar has meaning and is important. This is pure price action trading, or tape reading, as they used to call it.

Any time-frame is good for trading. The time-frame you choose is personal. How should you decide on the time-frame to use?

"Concentrate on the particular time frame you choose to trade on, but look at higher time frames to determine if a small or large target should be played for as well. The number one determining factor for which time frame to trade on should be the amount a trader can afford to risk." Linda B. Raschke in Professional Trading Techniques, page 16. I never saw it described more clearly. Thank you Linda.

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Hi Guys,

I've got a question. Does anyone here use PnF charts?

Years ago I did them by hand and now trying to get back into using them again. It's been too many years & I'm ashamed to say I can't remember if the following chart is proper. For intra day trading I used a 3x3, works quite well !

Anyway here's a 10x3 after reaccumulation for a broader view of the market. You can clearly identify price action with no supply, demand in control and about to move into the markup phase. I've worked up the count as best I remember. Please comment if you see anything I need to go back and work on.

Thanks in advance!!!

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@trader14: I made two counts, A and B, and I would say A is the more appropriate and realistic count (because of the phases, not marked).



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Mich62 - Thanks for your above comments & chart antidote. Actually pulled out my SMI course. After a refresher on the PnF chapter I'd agree with your comments. Shouldn't of been lazy and refreshed the cobwebs first. Anyway as I went further into the chapter, dark memories surfaced. I've given this a lot of thought over the last day or so and really don't wish to peruse PnF charting any further. Feibel's comment "using PnF charts intraday is time suicide" is 100% correct!!! Been there done that, no mas lol.


Feibel - Your now deleted post. Once we truly understand and can accurately judge the market by it's own action, it's behavior, it's structure. The question becomes, do we really need PnF charting in our tool box? At one time I would pound the table and said YES! That being said... today in my opinion, (for me) no, no we don't. Some may disagree and that's OK. I know several who actually trade successfully using nothing but a PnF chart. That's a personal decision and one I choose not to follow for the reason stated above. At the end of the day any method one chooses to follow will work for that individual. The method isn't as important as the mindset. As time permits please continue adding to your thread. They have brought to light areas I'm weak and need to improve. For that I thank you!!

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Trader14: hahaha, I have been in the same loop and fully understand what you're saying. I guess it's the road we have to travel (to end at the start when we begin to understand things do work sometimes, and sometimes they don't). After using time based charts, tick, PnF, Range, Renko, Volume and even Heiken Ashi (not to mention all the indicators) I ended up with naked time based charts with, indeed, multiple time-frames. Choose one set-up (whatever it is you feel comfortable with) and stick to it. It has been often said. The discussion which chart type is best to use is completely useless, just like the search to the perfect setup (indicator). Good luck.

ps for me it was the market to point out my weaknesses (it was not cheap) and the areas where to improve ;-)

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Apologies, wasn't aware of the deletion.

PnF charting is definitely a dying art, that's not to say the techniques aren't valid. However, when versed in deep Wyckoffian logic you'll begin to understand the Law of Cause and Effect in it's entirety, when this 'epiphany' occurs PnF becomes somewhat invalid.

The nature of the markets in its simplest form is too find either buyers or sellers, we literally (dependent on tmeframe) bounce between support and resistance areas. By gauging the quality of selling or buying we can determine the strength to see whether a support or resistance level/area, will either break or hold.

NOW, some support and resistance levels act as trading ranges and in its here we build cause; build energy for price to move either up or down. As one becomes proficient in their chart reading we can not only read the direction of the break, but also determine the effect, which of course is the breakout and subsequent trend.

In a nutshell we can read the cause that is built and project price (the effect) it's a universal law not only applicable to trading, this may sound metaphysical or mystical (label it as you will) but believe me when I say (and I have done extensive studies) that The Law of Cause and Effect truly understood is a powerful tool and often misused, probably due to its simplicity and mis-interpretation. There are layers to 'cause' such as reaccumulation etc that one must acknowledge to gain a true price projection.

As described above we use the Law of Cause and Effect to project price, it's as accurate as an PnF chart, if not more so, due to the varying count size which many PnF charting practioners often appear to have. Importantly we can determine the effect within 30 seconds or so, no need for such time consuming, antiquated PnF charts.

Using PnF charts for an intraday environment is time suicide, we have the adage of MULTIPLE TIME FRAMES, something the traders of the past who used PnF (pioneers) did not have; this is truly the modern traders greatest edge. Some would argue order flow, again an old technique as traders used to watch the ticker tape.....

For intraday trading, targets should be higher time frame structure, unless we come from a trading range 'cause' where we can evaluate our 'effect' or one can read a supply/demand imbalance as it unfolds.

This is far from an attack against PnF charting techniques, there are a few PnF grandmasters in the world, that solely trade from PnF and successfully, they do not use any other forms of chart (time based bar charts or otherwise) the simplicity of their trading is astounding, as they understand that PnF in its purest form is 'Cause and Effect'.

From a personal standpoint I have abandoned the tool for reasons stated above, mainly due to time; inefficient in this day and age. The inclusion of multiple time frames (at the click of the mouse) has eradicated the need for PnF techniques.

All the best,

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Glad you put that back up there @Feibel, a valuable post.

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Anyone trading currencies?
Nice Wyckoff logic

Price action becomes un-readable when I label springs, UT, lack of demand, effort vs result etc..
Thus I've only labeled key components of a distribution phase...

Something a tad different than a 5 min time frame.

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Feel free to post, the purpose of this thread is too help others.


This can be any time frame, any market. Wyckoff Logic for Sugar.

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Very interesting interpretation. NO COMMENT. Happy 4th July to all.

 
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Thank You SIR

This is how I was taught to read price action with a Wyckoff eye.

Happy 4th everyone.

 
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Wyckoff and VSA principles at play in today's action:

Macro Perspective of the current market.

Wyckoffian price cycle.
Selling climax
Testing
Change of Behaviour
Volume characteristics

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Frequent question that bounces in daily ''do our methods work on higher timeframes'' yes and all asset classes (liquid).
Trading intraday is merely preferred... Macro look at Silver and why we have a bias bullish and have done for months.

Wyckoff and VSA principles at play :

Shakeout
Swell in Volume
No supply
Selling Zones
Climatic Bar
Cause and Effect
Comparative and Relative Analysis
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Just wanted to contribute to this thread with my experience as a customer. I know I am not an active member of this forum, but if you donīt believe me I can gladly post here proof of purchase (paypal receipt).

Months ago I bought two courses at Feibel trading: Climactic Behavior and Featherīs Weight. Very Very expensive courses for what they are (349 GBP each = US$450!!!! for a couple of videos)

Climactic Behavior was the worst money grab. The "course" is a copy of Gavin Holmes (tradeguider) explanation of climactic bars, which is free by the way (lots of free seminars on youtube). You guys familiar with VSA know Gavinīs "trigger numbers" approach, he extends lines from the high, low and close of climactic bars and then check for reactions at those levels (upthrusts, springs, no supply, demand at those levels to initiate a trade). That is exactly what the climactic behavior "course" is. When I finished watching this one I was already very pissed off for burning US$450.

Then the Featherīs Weight course is nothing more than a low volume pullback play at structure (even though he will say it isnīt), very bread and butter VSA play, he just added some filters which in fact make you lose good trades. So you can imagine how stupid I Was feeling for burning 700 pounds (US$903 !!!) in this...

But the last straw was today. Let me explain: 5 months ago I received an email from Feibel trading saying that he was putting together youtube videos showing examples of this "Featherīs Weight" play, which obviously were extra complementary material for the course. Ok, I never received those youtube links, then 10 days ago I sent an email asking for them, no reply (that is how Feibel behaves, they just ignore you until you have sent a couple of emails of pressure). Today I got a reply saying that the videos are restricted, that only contributors can access the videos (so he invented a new rule now for you to access the extra material from the course). So not only I gave him US$900, but If I Wanna watch complementary examples I have to produce free material for him. That is the pinnacle of absurd and slap in the face.


So I donīt think I will be doing business again with them, the courses seems to be a copy of tradeguider, Dr. Gary Dayton and David Weis material combined with pharmacy price tag. I can see in his site now that he even copied Dr. Garyīs Deep Practice sessions (he calls Effective Habitual Practice), I mean it is a carbon copy.

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Just wanted to complement my post above:

When I was exchanging emails with him before I bought the course, I did make crystal clear to him that I Was a VSA specialist (he was trying to push other courses on me). So he definitely knew my level of expertise and did not say a thing. He could have said "hey, those courses are not for you, you gonna waste your money, nothing for you to learn in them", no, he cunningly waited for me to pay, pocketed the money and bye bye. This is hustling in my book.

 
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Good afternoon,

Wish my return would be on better circumstances.

Wasn't sure how to label the PDF.

Keep it simple I guess

''Responding to a troll''.

Please find PDF attached.


Going forward, please let this thread continue to be about Wyckoff and VSA. It is a goldmine of information that has helped 100's if not 1000's of traders.

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As you can see, Feibel trading classifies their customers as "trolls" when they speak the truth. But you know, typical behavior of course sellers. That is why is better to always put together a group and GB the course, so the damage is low to your pocket given the high probability of getting scammed.

The only reason I came here after all those months after purchasing and staying quiet was because "the last straw", as I explained the ridiculous request to provide free material for him.

Anyways, if anyone is interested in checking the full email conversation I had with him, I am happy to provide the screenshots and you can see for yourself as I got hustled to pay for free knowledge marketed as "exclusive", just send me a PM, or I can post here as a PDF too.

Moreover, look at this guy, he says his work is "influenced" by tradeguider, David Weis and Gary Dayton LOL!! One thing is influenced, other thing is a blatant copy. I donīt know how he is not being sued by Dr. Gary for the copyrights infringements...

 
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Hi @bobwest,

Thank you very much as always.

I have had a chance to review some of what took place here in the thread by @Feibel, and I strongly dislike his methods to bypass our vendor rules.

It is a very clear violation of our no self-promotion policy with vendors. I am permanently banning him for this reason. The thread will remain closed, as it's just a vendor propaganda thread at this point and has lost any integrity it may have had. That is the risk he took with his stealth vendor approach.

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