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Those of you who are considering other indices besides ES, and those who have stopped trading the TF, may consider the Mini Nikkei 225 that trades in Japan. Trading: 7pm - 1:10AM CST-Chicago time then after hours - re-opens at 2:30am - until 12:55PM CST

This night session is liquid, and the entire contract is denominated in yen. It moves in 500 Yen increments which is about $4.5 It is currently available on CQG.

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Thanks Mattz, a good reminder of this instrument, I have intended to look at it many times however..

Is that the JNM & N225? CQG platform or just the CQG data feed? I have NT + NTB and my own proprietary ordering system with a different broker but its possibly time to diversify.

Do you have any personal favorite combo to trial access this (good charting, something similar to NTs chart trader?). Sierra has long been on my list to try but any leads welcomed.

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Thanks Mattz, a good reminder of this instrument, I have intended to look at it many times however..

Is that the JNM & N225? CQG platform or just the CQG data feed? I have NT + NTB and my own proprietary ordering system with a different broker but its possibly time to diversify.

Do you have any personal favorite combo to trial access this (good charting, something similar to NTs chart trader?). Sierra has long been on my list to try but any leads welcomed.

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I am not sure what your broker offers.

We have access to this contract over Sierra, MultiCharts, Tradingview and CQG Mobile.
Sierra package 3 and MC (Net) are free.

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Its becouse AMP add it ?Or other's too

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how is the volume ?
probably needs some weeks to judge.

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Its becouse AMP add it ?Or other's too

AMP does have it. I am not sure about others.

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how is the volume ?
probably needs some weeks to judge.

This is a liquid contract. https://port.jpx.co.jp/jpx/template/quote.cgi?F=tmp/e_popchart&QCODE=111.555/O
Since the market opened at 2.30 CST, I believe it we traded 50K contracts already ( updates upwards since the open...)
This is the symbol on CQG: MJNKM16 ...in case you get this exchange.

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interactivebrokers have it too

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Those of you who are considering other indices besides ES, and those who have stopped trading the TF, may consider the Mini Nikkei 225 that trades in Japan. Trading: 7pm - 1:10AM CST-Chicago time then after hours - re-opens at 2:30am - until 12:55PM CST

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Hi Matt,

Are there any monthly fees for the data feed eg like the CME, ICE and Eurex (via CQG) monthly data feed fees?

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Hi Matt,

Are there any monthly fees for the data feed eg like the CME, ICE and Eurex (via CQG) monthly data feed fees?

Yes, it's $29 per month.

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IB takes 40 Y per side and some 200 Y for data...

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For anyone with Ninjatrader Brokerage, got this response this morning.

"At this time JNM or the Mini Nikkei 225 is not available for trading with NinjaTrader Brokerage.
We will add your vote to add this symbol when we discuss with our clearing firms for future symbol support."

Looks like Optimus is in the running

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Looks like Optimus is in the running

I appreciate the good word, but I only posted this out of intention to help you guys.
TF is now our of line in terms of cost, so alternatives need to be presented.
To be honest, there are many foreign futures markets that are liquid and cater to their locals.
As I explore them, I will share it with you.

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brazilian futures would be great mini Ibovespa with average daily volume more than 300000 contracts a day
mini USD/BRL futures with daily volume 200000 contracts

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brazilian futures would be great mini Ibovespa with average daily volume more than 300000 contracts a day
mini USD/BRL futures with daily volume 200000 contracts

Si senior we want I'm a gringo but I know Colombians and Brazilians who have access to this (in BRL) and they make good money from it.

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IB takes 40 Y per side and some 200 Y for data...

i think 400 yen for data at IB.
they go through OSE right? but isnt sgx the higher volume exchange?

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i think 400 yen for data at IB.
they go through OSE right? but isnt sgx the higher volume exchange?

400 yen for LVL 2 data but for LVL 1 200 yen volume on OSE is 9 times higher than in SGX
SGX volume yesterday day session 63061
night session 18801
Derivatives Market Information From Singapore Exchange Ltd | SGX

JPX formerly (OSE) day session 466325 contracts
night session 276693 contracts
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TF is now our of line in terms of cost, so alternatives need to be presented.
To be honest, there are many foreign futures markets that are liquid and cater to their locals.


Bovespa ( as above)
Borsa Istanbul
KRX
RTS Russia

That markets are very liquid and attractive ... and they are almost impossible to play on ( exept KRX ).I can imagine that cost of connection to them could be not profitable for most FCM so it is easy to understand why they not got them.But I cant understand why I can't trade stoxx banks futures ( from 70 000 to 100 000 day volume ) or OMX Stockholm (also very liquid) while I can trade Vstoxx mini with almost all FCM...

By the way,sadly we (Poland) also got a great futures market few years ago.It was almost as liquid as CAC40 ( 30k to 50k) but now it is just 16k per day.

FW20 - Tick value also like 5 USD
Comissions some like 3 USD per side (RT) depend of broker,could be lowered.
Low margins - 800 usd and some like 500 usd for day trading
Easy to trade up to 30 contract's .
Free data if you trade just 20 futures per month.No inactive fee

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but isnt sgx the higher volume exchange?


No way. Nikkei 225 Mini on the Osaka Securities Exchange is the most liquid futures contract in all of Asia, period. It rivals the ES in the volume it does.

Interactive Brokers is much cheaper than AMP. 80 yen round trip. If you need better real-time data, then see if you can use CQG through AMP and still use Interactive Brokers to place your trades.

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Bovespa ( as above)
Borsa Istanbul
KRX
RTS Russia

That markets are very liquid and attractive ... and they are almost impossible to play on ( exept KRX ).I can imagine that cost of connection to them could be not profitable for most FCM so it is easy to understand why they not got them.But I cant understand why I can't trade stoxx banks futures ( from 70 000 to 100 000 day volume ) or OMX Stockholm (also very liquid) while I can trade Vstoxx mini with almost all FCM...

@Tommip you are right. The cost of the connection and the interest here might not justify the connection.
However, we do find here and there some FCMs that do have a connection because of one or two large customers, so you can always "piggy back" for a certain fee if you are allowed. All you have to do is ask.

As far the other question: Not all futures contracts are allowed to be traded if the FCM is registered in the USA or if you are a USA customer. The CFTC did not approve all contacts to be traded, for example in the case of Eurex, you can only trade what is listed here with USA based FCMs:
Eurex Exchange - Eurex Derivatives in the U.S.

If you have an interest in products that you can not trade in the USA, and you are not a USA based (or Citizen/Resident) then we have the means to help you.

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On IB TWS you can trade both OMX futures and stoxx banks futures .

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No way. Nikkei 225 Mini on the Osaka Securities Exchange is the most liquid futures contract in all of Asia, period. It rivals the ES in the volume it does.

Interactive Brokers is much cheaper than AMP. 80 yen round trip. If you need better real-time data, then see if you can use CQG through AMP and still use Interactive Brokers to place your trades.

Just a note that I spoke with iqfeed and they only have sgx, not OSE.
IB feed seems pretty good though

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regarding Brazil i find something on internet was about Interactive Brokers. That IB is starting in Brazil was 2013

Interactive Brokers expandirá para o Brasil até 2013 | EXAME.com
But after 3 years its quite no info. Saxo Bank offer brazilian futures but the commis are to high.
brazilian futures would be best choise the same time zone as a US futures data feed accesible through IQ feed or Kinetick.

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https://news.ampfutures.com/amp-futures-is-excited-to-announce-asias-most-liquid-futures-contract-mini-nikkei-225-is-now-available-for-live-trading

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Can anyone recommend any volume profilers such as ft71/ l2st/ verniman for this market?

thanks!

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Can anyone recommend any volume profilers such as ft71/ l2st/ verniman for this market?

thanks!

I second this.

Would also love a few recommendations for good sources on this market

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Can anyone trade N225m currently on IB?

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Can anyone trade N225m currently on IB?

Do you mean in general? Or specifically at the time you posted the message?

I am able to trade N225M through IB. I'm just using the data feed through IB. Volume has been alot higher after the election.

There's another thread on N225M in this forum

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Hoping to get some clarity and some answers as to why this is happening. Hoping this is a good place to ask the question.

I'm currently on AMP running with MultiCharts. Prior to the market open my T&S and DOM are showing price action and printing price changes. However, it is NOT plotting anything on my chart, yet there is trading going on and I am able to enter orders buy/sell contracts. You'll notice in the bottom right of the image the time. It shows roughly 6 minutes before the bell.




But, once that time of 7pm hits price will start plotting on my chart and volume profile fills in on DOM and chart....



Does anyone know why this is?? Sorry, relative noobie here.

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Does anyone know why this is?? Sorry, relative noobie here.

What session template are you using ?

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What session template are you using ?



I pulled this off Pete's Jigsaw youtube video about the Nikkei. I'm guessing something is wrong about it?

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I pulled this off Pete's Jigsaw youtube video about the Nikkei. I'm guessing something is wrong about it?

Yep, that session template is wrong.

The exchange changed the hours for the Futures product in about September.

The actual stock exchange (and therfore the cash index) start at 9am, but the Futures now start at 8.45am.

The 'night' session was extended as well.

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Yep, that session template is wrong.

The exchange changed the hours for the Futures product in about September.

The actual stock exchange (and therfore the cash index) start at 9am, but the Futures now start at 8.45am.

The 'night' session was extended as well.

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Thanks.. Once I plugged in the correct times into the template no problems. Didn't realize a change was made. Thank you!

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Anyone out there use an specific news source to gather economic news, data specific to the Nikkei/Japan markets?
Just curious

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Has anyone found a decently priced data feed for the Nikkei yet?

Few are out there but finding one with a continuous contract and historical data is proving difficult.

Best I have is esignal at $161 USD / month I think.

Also, with 2 exchanges which to do you use for volume profile? or to get a true picture to they need to be combined? Could you chart one and watch the DOM on the other? Seems a bit messy haha

Love here how others that use VP and the DOM are trading the Nikkei

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Has anyone found a decently priced data feed for the Nikkei yet?

AMP offers CQG data for the Osaka Nikkei mini at $29 per month.


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Also, with 2 exchanges which to do you use for volume profile? or to get a true picture to they need to be combined? Could you chart one and watch the DOM on the other? Seems a bit messy haha

I do not use volume profile in my trading, but in my opinion there is no valid argument for using anything other than the Osaka exchange chart. Why would you need to? The Osaka exchange has the highest volume and highest amount of institutional trading. Using two different data feeds for your chart and DOM will be disaster and makes absolutely no sense.

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AMP offers CQG data for the Osaka Nikkei mini at $29 per month.



I do not use volume profile in my trading, but in my opinion there is no valid argument for using anything other than the Osaka exchange chart. Why would you need to? The Osaka exchange has the highest volume and highest amount of institutional trading. Using two different data feeds for your chart and DOM will be disaster and makes absolutely no sense.

AMP has no historical data and as I use VP I need it.

I currently have AMP but I really need a continuous contract and historical data to chart.

I found a cheaper option through Kinetic but that was on the SGX exchange.

As someone else has said, banging my head up against the wall at the moment as I am kind of stuck with NT unfortunately

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AMP has no historical data and as I use VP I need it.

I currently have AMP but I really need a continuous contract and historical data to chart.

I found a cheaper option through Kinetic but that was on the SGX exchange.

As someone else has said, banging my head up against the wall at the moment as I am kind of stuck with NT unfortunately

Drop NT and get with Sierra. You will get historical data. And it's a way better piece of software.

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Drop NT and get with Sierra. You will get historical data. And it's a way better piece of software.

Yeah looking at Multicharts now, will look at Seirra as well.

I really like some of the Rancho products but they have no plans on launching on either.

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Yeah looking at Multicharts now, will look at Seirra as well.

I really like some of the Rancho products but they have no plans on launching on either.

Hey fiftyeight,

I trade the MJNK, via CQG too. Also having troubles getting historic data.

Couple of things I have learnt doing the same search;

Looked at eSignal, data looks great, but low support in charting platforms. I use Sierra and it is not supported as a datafeed.

Sierra does not supply historic minute data for Osaka Mini Nikkei, only ETH day bars.

The Sierra historic data for Mini Nikkei (they use BarChart data) has a flaw in it where the week/session starts wrong. it seems to include the previous friday night session into the start of the next week which completely invalidates weekly view charts. There is more on this in the Sierra support board, but does not look to be fixed anytime soon.

I also have an Interactive Brokers account, they have ~2.5 years of minute data for Osaka mini nikkei, but no tick data, so its not much use for volume profiling.

Apparently CQG were looking into getting more historic data, but given it is almost a year now since they supported the instrument and it has not happened, I can not see this really happening in the future.

Bit frustrating, its a great product for us in Aus to trade.

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Looked at eSignal, data looks great, but low support in charting platforms.

Should be able to plug in to NT?




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Sierra does not supply historic minute data for Osaka Mini Nikkei, only ETH day bars

Still getting my head around everything but for VP purposes I was going to chart the big contract as that is the volume which moves both markets. The mini just follows the full contract.

I have basically given up on NT or CQG hosting the historical data. Multicharts has a continuous contract in and historical data. It also has some VP tools and is free.

Ill give it a run over the next few weeks

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Should be able to plug in to NT?

I believe so, but just check if it supports the full market depth (if you need it).

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Hi guys, I started studying the Mini Nikkei,
I trade using Auction Market theory and Volume Profiles.

For those who use auction theory, How are you guys treating the overnight volume?

Differently from the Mini S&P, which 90% of volume occurs on the regular trading hours, The Overnight Volume of Mini Nikkei is almost the same volume of its regular trading hours (something like 60%/40%).

Are you guys summing both RTH and Overnight volume into 1 volume profile and treating it as a unique session?
Are you Treating the overnight session and points (low, high, value area, POC...) as if it was another regular session?
Or just treating the overnight session volume as "Overnight Inventory" and not giving much attention to its session points and volume clusters?

Thank you!

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Hi guys, I started studying the Mini Nikkei,
I trade using Auction Market theory and Volume Profiles.

I am not sure you should be using the mini for VP. I have asked this question to a few experienced guys, the big contract is where all the real volume and liquidity are, the mini is just dragged around by the big Nikkei. They may give similar VP but I am not sure they will match exactly.

Be good if someone has some VP of the mini and the full they could share

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I am not sure you should be using the mini for VP. I have asked this question to a few experienced guys, the big contract is where all the real volume and liquidity are, the mini is just dragged around by the big Nikkei.

False.

First thing you need to do is get rid of this notion in your head that things are significantly dragged around by other instruments (I am assuming you are implying that the mini contract lags behind the full size contract). This simply doesn't happen between instruments that are liquid to any extent, and the Nikkei futures (full size and mini) are no exception. Arbitrage (look this up if you do not know about it) clears this up so quickly that it doesn't exist for you. Period.

As for the volume claims, you could have very simply double-checked what these "experienced guys" told you on the JPX website and found out how ridiculous their claim is. Let me pull out the data for you from Japan's regular trading session on Friday 2/17/17:

Nikkei 225 Futures: 37,132 contracts traded
Nikkei 225 Mini Futures: 421,359 contracts traded

This is typical, in that the mini contract out-trades the full size contract by a factor of greater than 10 times.

Please do your research and double-check what people tell you before posting it as fact on the internet, because it's easy to mislead people this way.

So let's re-visit the question at hand - do you really care what the big size contract is showing, or do you want to focus on the far more liquid mini contract? I've been trading the mini for some time now, and I really have never even looked at the full size chart or data for any reason whatsoever. I simply don't care about it. Same thing with traders that are trading the ES. Why would they care about the full-size contract?

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False.

Some good info here.

Pitty you chose to be such a turbo about it????

As you will see by previous posts in this thread (and other threads) I am still getting my head around the Nikkei (and trading in general) as I am currently making the transition. I nowhere pretend to be an expert.

Dragged and lag are 2 different things (not saying they do or do not apply to the Nikkei). For example the MHI definitely takes its lead from the HSI, is there any lag in price? No due to arbs, I googled it thanks for the tip. But reading the volume on the MHI trying to gain an edge is pointless as that is not what is driving price. This also applies to the DAX and the mini DAX.

My response to the original question was "not sure you should use the mini", in fact I hope I am wrong and can use mini Nikkei data as it is free while the esig want a fortune for data on the big contract.

As you are the expert on the mini Nikkei hopefully you can provide many more tips to newbs like me but with a little less attitude

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Some good info here.

Pitty you chose to be such a turbo about it????

As you will see by previous posts in this thread (and other threads) I am still getting my head around the Nikkei (and trading in general) as I am currently making the transition. I nowhere pretend to be an expert.

Dragged and lag are 2 different things (not saying they do or do not apply to the Nikkei). For example the MHI definitely takes its lead from the HSI, is there any lag in price? No due to arbs, I googled it thanks for the tip. But reading the volume on the MHI trying to gain an edge is pointless as that is not what is driving price. This also applies to the DAX and the mini DAX.

My response to the original question was "not sure you should use the mini", in fact I hope I am wrong and can use mini Nikkei data as it is free while the esig want a fortune for data on the big contract.

As you are the expert on the mini Nikkei hopefully you can provide many more tips to newbs like me but with a little less attitude

Sorry, my frustration was misdirected - I am actually annoyed at the people who keep saying flat out untrue statements to people, like the guys who told you that the full size contract has more volume than the mini.

Definitely just stick to the mini Nikkei. Also, who is giving you free data for the mini? That sounds nice.

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Definitely just stick to the mini Nikkei. Also, who is giving you free data for the mini? That sounds nice.

AMP Futures, but no historical data with NT. I am tossing up between esig data that will work with NT for like $170/month for the big contract or switching to Multicharts and using the mini.

You advice above sheds some new light on everything, looks like Multicharts is back in running

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Sorry, my frustration was misdirected - I am actually annoyed at the people who keep saying flat out untrue statements to people, like the guys who told you that the full size contract has more volume than the mini.

Definitely just stick to the mini Nikkei. Also, who is giving you free data for the mini? That sounds nice.

Thank you for the informations mangolassi.

Do you consider overnight information and points for your trading strategies since there is huge volume traded during the night session?

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Thank you for the informations mangolassi.

Do you consider overnight information and points for your trading strategies since there is huge volume traded during the night session?

Nah, I only consider the data during stock market hours. I don't even chart the 15 minutes before the stock market opening, similar to how a lot of people trade the ES (can be decent volume before and after stock market hours, but only the stock market hours are charted + 15 minutes afterward). I don't use volume profiling in my trading whatsoever, so I don't know if what I do will be valid for you. For me, the price action of the intraday session is sufficient for my needs.

I'm not an expert by any means, and am keeping things simple as I learn and get better.

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@mangolassi @MaxTaF

Are you guys using the free version of Sierra?

How are you finding it?

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@mangolassi @MaxTaF

Are you guys using the free version of Sierra?

How are you finding it?

I am using package 5 from AMP. Not free.

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@mangolassi @MaxTaF

Are you guys using the free version of Sierra?

How are you finding it?


I am using the free package (package 3). In my opinion, Sierra is the best platform out there.

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Heading home for a few weeks and have to switch so might as well give Sierra a run

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Hi Everyone, I'm a US expat living in Singapore and decided to join the historical tick data pity party as it seems everyone is going around the same circles with this. CQG does offer historical tick data for the Osaka bases Nikkei mini. It's very reasonably priced at about $200 US for a years worth of tick data and is even formatted in a way that's friendly to Ninja Trader.

I can not for the life of me though figure out how to create a chart in NT with it! I will say I haven't looked at NT in a couple years so may be missing something. I've got a txt file of sample data from 12-15 perhaps someone that's more experienced will have better luck generating a tick chart. Will be following this thread and open to doing a chat room as others have mentioned.

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Hello guys,
Has anyone heard recently of another broker offering Osaka mini Nikkei trading besides Interactive Brokers and AMP Futures? I was happily trading with IB until as a "birthday present" received an email that I now need over $100K liquid net worth to continue trading futures. Seems a bit overkill for a $20K notional contract. Meanwhile, AMP Futures monthly data fees are outrageous compared to IB.

Are there any other alternatives out there?

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Hello guys,
Has anyone heard recently of another broker offering Osaka mini Nikkei trading besides Interactive Brokers and AMP Futures? I was happily trading with IB until as a "birthday present" received an email that I now need over $100K liquid net worth to continue trading futures. Seems a bit overkill for a $20K notional contract. Meanwhile, AMP Futures monthly data fees are outrageous compared to IB.

Are there any other alternatives out there?


$29 is kind of a lot for one instrument... but it is CQG data. It is FAR better than the data offered by IB.

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$29 is kind of a lot for one instrument... but it is CQG data. It is FAR better than the data offered by IB.

Yes, I'm sure CQG is very good. But I was just using a simple trend following strategy with 1-5m candles. The IB data was good enough for me.

I was just browsing and found this other broker -- Wisdom Trading. Osaka Mini was listed in their trading instruments. Never heard of these guys. Apparently an IB for RJO'Brien, Phillip Futures, and a couple others. I sent them an email to inquire about their rates. If any good I'll post back here.

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So after wrestling with NT for a couple hours, I was able to load this CQG historical data. It plays, albeit kinda wonky. NT only loads the last price and leaves off bid & ask data so I'm not sure how accurate a profile would be. NT8's inboard volume profile kinda seems like a joke but maybe its the data. Would be interested in sending this file to someone that has a better profile tool and could see if the data creates an accurate profile. Anyone game?

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Wisdom Trading never got back to me. I'll take that to mean their monthly data fees are even worse than AMP. Oh well, back to Nikkei CFDs. I tried to be street legal, but not for $29/mo.

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Wisdom Trading never got back to me. I'll take that to mean their monthly data fees are even worse than AMP. Oh well, back to Nikkei CFDs. I tried to be street legal, but not for $29/mo.

Wisdom is just ,,rich'' oriented . They dont care about retail too much - I was trying to contact with them... also with no response. Then my friend who makes big volume contact them... and they give him commission plan.I can say that it is good ... really good.They also offer even more markets then IB.But it was one year ago - Im not sure how it is now and yes - they require a lot of money ...

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Wisdom Trading never got back to me. I'll take that to mean their monthly data fees are even worse than AMP. Oh well, back to Nikkei CFDs. I tried to be street legal, but not for $29/mo.

Who are you using to trade CFDs? I thought US traders cannot trade CFDs.

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Wisdom is just ,,rich'' oriented . They dont care about retail too much - I was trying to contact with them... also with no response. Then my friend who makes big volume contact them... and they give him commission plan.I can say that it is good ... really good.They also offer even more markets then IB.But it was one year ago - Im not sure how it is now and yes - they require a lot of money ...

Well that explains it. My bad. I missed the "NO RIFF RAFF" sign on their home page

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Who are you using to trade CFDs? I thought US traders cannot trade CFDs.

Yes. The closest thing we have to CFDs in the USA are those NADEX "bull spread contracts". Anyway, I had been experimenting with offshore CFD brokers with some success prior to "discovering" the existence of Osaka Nikkei Mini a couple of years ago here on futures.io. That's what I was kind of sarcastically referring to.

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AMP has no historical data and as I use VP I need it.

I currently have AMP but I really need a continuous contract and historical data to chart.

I found a cheaper option through Kinetic but that was on the SGX exchange.

As someone else has said, banging my head up against the wall at the moment as I am kind of stuck with NT unfortunately

Hi fiftyeight,

Did you solve your issue with trading mini Nikkei with Ninjatrader? I am trying to solve this issue right now, and apparently there is an option to record historical data with Ninjatrader and get the datafeed off AMP/CQG, but I am not successful with this yet. I am trading the chart so I need historical data and DOM is not adequate for my analysis.
Let me know as a NT user what you have found. Thanks a lot!

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So after wrestling with NT for a couple hours, I was able to load this CQG historical data. It plays, albeit kinda wonky. NT only loads the last price and leaves off bid & ask data so I'm not sure how accurate a profile would be. NT8's inboard volume profile kinda seems like a joke but maybe its the data. Would be interested in sending this file to someone that has a better profile tool and could see if the data creates an accurate profile. Anyone game?

May I ask how you solved it setwavesonly?
I use NT7 and have a AMP/CQG account and would love to trade mini Nikkei on Osaka exchange.

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Hi fiftyeight,

Did you solve your issue with trading mini Nikkei with Ninjatrader?

I gave up tbh. Switched to Euro timezone where I didnt have these issues

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I gave up tbh. Switched to Euro timezone where I didnt have these issues

You mean you physically moved to Europe, or you stopped trading Australia day-time hours?
I managed to convert data from Multicharts to Ninjatrader 7 for mini Nikkei, but the instrument is not suitable to trade for me, so I might have a look at the Singapore Exchange as well to see if there are any Futures suitable for my daytime strategy.

Which Futures do you trade on Eurex?

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May I ask how you solved it setwavesonly?
I use NT7 and have a AMP/CQG account and would love to trade mini Nikkei on Osaka exchange.

I did it with NT 8 and it was pretty straight forward. The compressed file they sent me with historical data has it broken out among Bid, Ask, and Last. NT can only read "last". If you go into tools/ options there is the ability to load historical data (think its historical data manager)and I loaded the "last" file. Would post here but the file size is too big. CQG also sent directions, but they're readily available on the internet. Think I searched for "loading historical data in NT". Hope that helps.

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So after wrestling with NT for a couple hours, I was able to load this CQG historical data. It plays, albeit kinda wonky. NT only loads the last price and leaves off bid & ask data so I'm not sure how accurate a profile would be. NT8's inboard volume profile kinda seems like a joke but maybe its the data. Would be interested in sending this file to someone that has a better profile tool and could see if the data creates an accurate profile. Anyone game?

Hi there I just came across this thread, I'm interested looking into JNM as well. If you could send me the file I can have a look and and see whether can corroborate the results?

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regarding Brazil i find something on internet was about Interactive Brokers. That IB is starting in Brazil was 2013

But after 3 years its quite no info. Saxo Bank offer brazilian futures but the commis are to high.
brazilian futures would be best choise the same time zone as a US futures data feed accesible through IQ feed or Kinetick.

Obelix, do you have any update on this issue?

Was IB planning to start as a broker for the customers in Brazil, or was IB planning to offer Brazilian products to its customers in the US and Europe?

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Obelix, do you have any update on this issue?

Was IB planning to start as a broker for the customers in Brazil, or was IB planning to offer Brazilian products to its customers in the US and Europe?

No update on this. Now they are concentrated on Central Europe(Czech Republic,Poland,Hungary) and Taiwan( they add instruments from TAIFEX).

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Now they are concentrated on Central Europe(Czech Republic,Poland,Hungary) and Taiwan( they add instruments from TAIFEX).

This is also interesting point.Can you imagine what they hear here ? Go away ! We dont need you ! Whole sector was againt them and try to block them.WSE say that most technical advanced broker need to test their system ( the same as euronext got !! ) for... 6 months.When CQG was trying to add WSE they ... refuse.Jesus.Answer is simply - IB takes 0.1 % commission while brokers here ...0.39 %. Yes - 0.39 % per side.

The same case was in Brazil - foreigners are bad they will destroy us ! As I know ( im not sure)even Saxo was retreat from there...

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This is also interesting point.Can you imagine what they hear here ? Go away ! We dont need you ! Whole sector was againt them and try to block them.WSE say that most technical advanced broker need to test their system ( the same as euronext got !! ) for... 6 months.When CQG was trying to add WSE they ... refuse.Jesus.Answer is simply - IB takes 0.1 % commission while brokers here ...0.39 %. Yes - 0.39 % per side.

The same case was in Brazil - foreigners are bad they will destroy us ! As I know ( im not sure)even Saxo was retreat from there...

Tommip in trading permissions by IBKR you can activated this markets. In market data subscription you have in the moment Prague Stock Exchange Cash Market LVL 1 and LVL 2 only.
Saxo Brasil if i remember the commissions was to high for trading and Saxo is overall expensive broker.

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True - but Im just sayn WHY it is like that.IB was trying to start operating here 15 march this year with full WSE ( warsaw stock ex) product list ...but they were unable due to ,,hate'' from financial sector here.They try to block IB and start a protests - becouse it is ,,dishonest offert'' (!!).Can you imagine ?

The same was in Brazil and Saxo does not offer it anymore - at least it is not on their instrument list anymore.

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True - but Im just sayn WHY it is like that.IB was trying to start operating here 15 march this year with full WSE ( warsaw stock ex) product list ...but they were unable due to ,,hate'' from financial sector here.They try to block IB and start a protests - becouse it is ,,dishonest offert'' (!!).Can you imagine ?

The same was in Brazil and Saxo does not offer it anymore - at least it is not on their instrument list anymore.

They are afraid IB will take money from their pocketbut they cant prevent it IBKR will bring on this market more liquidity and more profits for GPW. and GPW and Polish Financial Supervision Authority know it. Send message to IBKR and ask them about progres to start offer stocks from (WSE).

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Exactly.Market here was really great few years ago,with more then 50 000 futures per day we were in top 5 in europe ... but these ( here i should put some rude words ) change FW20 spec and almost kill this market.Now they try to defend this idiotic fees and commissions,but IB is strong as I see and they are not scared .I wish that our region will be on TWS but no one here is interested on this.Its so ... ridiculous.For me its not so importand becouse i have api,great data and good commissions but I also want to see more volume here - and im really pissed off that financial sector here is acting like Brazilian one...

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Exactly. The market here was really great a few years ago, with more then 50 000 futures per day. We were in the top 5 in Europe... But these (here I should put some rude words) changed the FW20 spec and almost killed the market. Now they try to defend these idiotic fees and commissions, but IB is strong as I see and they are not scared . I wish that our region were more on TWS but no one here is interested. It's so ... ridiculous! For me this is not a problem because I have API, great data and good commissions but I also wanted to see more volume here. And I'm really pissed off that the financial sector here is acting like the Brazilian one...

This is too bad, Tommip.

Check my dilemma:

I trade S&P500 Futures ES 100% Automated. The Brazilian Stock Exchange Bovespa offers trading ES with the local currency.
My aunt in Brazil wanted me to trade her money. It would make the most sense for her to open an account with an "IB-like" broker in Brazil with Brazilian currency and operate it online, I could operate her account online from here in the US.
For my aunt to open an account over here, too much redtape is required. And if I put her money in my account over here in the US, I would have to split the income taxes that I pay, etc.

However, like you said, the local brokers in Brazil have something like a cartel that makes it impossible for foreign brokers to get in.
Their connections are bad, their software is bad, their commissions are sky-high. You have to subscribe separately (and pay separately) for the Platform, for the Data Feed and for the actual broker. 3 different companies and they don't talk very well amongst themselves.

It's a bummer.

Another question, Tommip: You mention IB and API. Do you link IB with Excel-Spreadsheet? Something else? Both ways? (data feed into excel and order sending)?

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You have then two options:

1.Go with -like you say- other ,,IB like'' firms.They have even more markets then IB but... they want a lot more money.I
mean really much more ( as requirements not fees).

2.Go with local firm.Use only brokerage to execute orders and get data from US provider.Data for BM&F is on sierra chart
so its not so hard to get - but it is not cheap.

When I say API I was saying about my local brokerage here.Its just a plugin for Amibroker which take's real time data right from WSE exchange.For IB I was using IB API - TWS + IQBroker - its also work very well.Im not a programmer so Im looking for simplest possible way and I cant help you too much in this area.

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Hi there I just came across this thread, I'm interested looking into JNM as well. If you could send me the file I can have a look and and see whether can corroborate the results?

Cooie I dont have enough posts to send you a PM nor can I attach a file :/

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Hi there I just came across this thread, I'm interested looking into JNM as well. If you could send me the file I can have a look and and see whether can corroborate the results?

might be able to now. When you get it uploaded please post some charts and observations.

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I am not sure what your broker offers.

We have access to this contract over Sierra, MultiCharts, Tradingview and CQG Mobile.
Sierra package 3 and MC (Net) are free.

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@mattz Thank you for your continued help to members here. Is there a way to get data for Tradestation Platform?

Thank you for your kind words and the mention. I try my best to be helpful when I can!
As for your question, and I hope you I am getting it right: Are you seeking the TS data feed as an independent data?
As far as I know, their data is available for the most part just on their own platform.

You may go through this futures data feeds in order to see which data feed could be connected to which software.

Please let me know if this addresses your question.

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Thank you for your kind words and the mention. I try my best to be helpful when I can!
As for your question, and I hope you I am getting it right: Are you seeking the TS data feed as an independent data?
As far as I know, their data is available for the most part just on their own platform.

You may go through this futures data feeds in order to see which data feed could be connected to which software.

Please let me know if this addresses your question.

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Thanks for responding @mattz.
I have TradeStation now. But since I work all day till about 1700 (Pacific Time), I'm looking for a liquid instrument to trade in the afternoon. The Nikkei and Kospi seems like good candidates, but it seems like TS doesn't provide data for them. So I'm looking for a way to get data for those instruments while keeping Tradestation as a platform. The only indicator I use is VWAP (Tick and VIX when trading ES). Let me know what you think. Thanks again for your help.

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@mattz N225m is tradable only with AMP as a FCM ?

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@mattz N225m is tradable only with AMP as a FCM ?

Yes, it is. We would be more than happy to assist you with an account if necessary.

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Thanks for responding @mattz.
I have TradeStation now. But since I work all day till about 1700 (Pacific Time), I'm looking for a liquid instrument to trade in the afternoon. The Nikkei and Kospi seems like good candidates, but it seems like TS doesn't provide data for them. So I'm looking for a way to get data for those instruments while keeping Tradestation as a platform. The only indicator I use is VWAP (Tick and VIX when trading ES). Let me know what you think. Thanks again for your help.

I will talk to the TS rep we have, however, just keep in mind that if a certain FCM does not offer a certain product is because they experience no demand for it or the cost of clearing via an party that has membership on that exchange maybe to high. My suggestion is either to find a product that your broker does trade, or switch.
Maybe you should try a contract like Mini DAX?

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Yes, it is. We would be more than happy to assist you with an account if necessary.

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I will be happy too but not with AMP as FCM ...

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I will be happy too but not with AMP as FCM ...

I respect your decision and you have the right to place your business where you wish.
However, AMP staff and trading desk have been very helpful to us and our customers thus far.
We also play a role in service, and would be assist with anything directly as well.

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However, AMP staff and trading desk have been very helpful to us and our customers thus far.

Reason is simple - I was with amp few years ago.I was trading Nikkei (but on CME ) and they... was unable to clear it and even to say what i got in my account.Long and bad story of failing - this is why.

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I will talk to the TS rep we have, however, just keep in mind that if a certain FCM does not offer a certain product is because they experience no demand for it or the cost of clearing via an party that has membership on that exchange maybe to high. My suggestion is either to find a product that your broker does trade, or switch.
Maybe you should try a contract like Mini DAX?

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Awesome, please let me know your findings.
The Nikkei and Kospi are attractive to me because I wouldn't have to modify my sleeping pattern to trade @ London open. From my research, they're very liquid during the Asian Session (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not opposed to switching platforms either, I just got used to programming in EasyLanguage. Switching platforms might mean having to learn a different scripting language But if necessary then be as it may... Thanks again Matt.

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Awesome, please let me know your findings.
The Nikkei and Kospi are attractive to me because I wouldn't have to modify my sleeping pattern to trade @ London open. From my research, they're very liquid during the Asian Session (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not opposed to switching platforms either, I just got used to programming in EasyLanguage. Switching platforms might mean having to learn a different scripting language But if necessary then be as it may... Thanks again Matt.

You are welcome.

I respect the fact that you are used to a platform and it's coding and I am aware of the "pain" associated with transiting. But, at the end of the day, some traders may grow their knowledge while some circumstances may change and as a result, a change of software is required. So let's explore a few alternatives: one thing you can do is switch to Multicharts that has is very compatible with Easylanguage. They use Powerlanguage which is 90% compatible with Easylanguage.

Another option and I mention it because it's a free Options is Multicharts C#.

Essentially, we can provide the Nikkei Futures via anything that CQG runs on and you can interchange between platforms as you wish including the mobile platforms (using the same logins).

At this point I am not aware of any other feed we are in business with that provides Nikkei Futures (Osaka Exchange) besides CQG.

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You are welcome.

I respect the fact that you are used to a platform and it's coding and I am aware of the "pain" associated with transiting. But, at the end of the day, some traders may grow their knowledge while some circumstances may change and as a result, a change of software is required. So let's explore a few alternatives: one thing you can do is switch to Multicharts that has is very compatible with Easylanguage. They use Powerlanguage which is 90% compatible with Easylanguage.

Another option and I mention it because it's a free Options is Multicharts C#.

Essentially, we can provide the Nikkei Futures via anything that CQG runs on and you can interchange between platforms as you wish including the mobile platforms (using the same logins).

At this point I am not aware of any other feed we are in business with that provides Nikkei Futures (Osaka Exchange) besides CQG.

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Great. Looking around, I thought MultChart is a good candidate since it uses EL. I also found SierraChart to be interesting. I downloaded Multichart yesterday to try out first, as I'm actively trying to get away from Tradestation now (not just because they don't carry a product I want). I intend to try out SC as well.

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Great. Looking around, I thought MultChart is a good candidate since it uses EL. I also found SierraChart to be interesting. I downloaded Multichart yesterday to try out first, as I'm actively trying to get away from Tradestation now (not just because they don't carry a product I want). I intend to try out SC as well.

I only offered MC because of EL. We like SC a lot and you can trade the Nikkei on it as well.

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Do you mean in general? Or specifically at the time you posted the message?

I am able to trade N225M through IB. I'm just using the data feed through IB. Volume has been alot higher after the election.

There's another thread on N225M in this forum

Is the Nikkei 225 Mini data and trading good on IB? Filtered data?

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Should be able to plug in to NT?





Still getting my head around everything but for VP purposes I was going to chart the big contract as that is the volume which moves both markets. The mini just follows the full contract.

I have basically given up on NT or CQG hosting the historical data. Multicharts has a continuous contract in and historical data. It also has some VP tools and is free.

Ill give it a run over the next few weeks

How did this go and did you resolve the tick feed issues?

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Is the Nikkei 225 Mini data and trading good on IB? Filtered data?

IB has very filtered data, unusable for charting < 1min bars.

Oddly enough, BookMap works reasonably well with the live IB data, I use it with the N225M, and have closely compared it to CQG's data, it is good enough for my trading. I think they have an algo for combining the IB live daily volume total and the missing tick volume.

But useless for tick based charting & VP.

This is a screen of KOSPI200 today via IB;


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Has anyone traded this contract? Could someone give me a market which it moves similarly to in the US session? I've heard it moves fairly similar to ES?

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