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 wwwingman 
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Hi,

I am looking for a trading partner : an experienced professional trader that may be interested in a programmer.
In exchange I can develop tools/indicators/strategies/excel.
I am an experienced programmer, a beginner+ trader (2.5 years full time).

My goal is to share ideas, have feedback, on a daily basis.
I am not looking for a mentor/room.

I have knowledge in Market/Volume profile, price action, order flow. Learned alone and with mentors.
I sim trade daily the bund (overnight) and es (morning). Breakeven+.
I live in Europe.

I program under Sierra Chart and Ninja and have experience with IRT and Market Delta.
I am actually building my methodology (semi-automatic discretionary intraday swings, own tools, based on vwap variations + price action).

If interested in evaluating tools I shared :
* Ninja : ECIDiv (futures.io (formerly BMT) No 14 Top Downloads of all time)
* SierraChart : ECIVwap & ECIAnchorVwap (Sierra 1040+ user contributed studies).

If interested, please PM me.

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I donít know if this is interesting for you, because maybe itís so simple for you but I canít do it myself.
I program in TradeStation with a 3rd party development name ADE & ELCollections which give me the ability to create values for example in a daily chart and then get these values in another different tick by tick chart in order to trade the big picture. So I want to create something like this idea in NinjaTrader using two different time frames in different charts, even better calculate the values from the Market Analyzer and then export them into 1 minute chart. If there is any charge for this just let me know.
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The correct subforum to hire a programmer is here:

https://futures.io/hire-consultant-programmer/

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The correct subforum to hire a programmer is here:

https://futures.io/hire-consultant-programmer/

Mike

I am not looking to be hired.
I am trying to find a trading partner. And suggest something in exchange : programming.

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I am not looking to be hired.
I am trying to find a trading partner. And suggest something in exchange : programming.

No worries, I was responding to the other poster to let him know this thread was not the right one for him.

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@wwwingman

If you are trading your own money (not mine), and are looking for a collaborative where proven methods might be exchanged for programming of those methods into strategies and if you promise to to sell or broadcast it if it works for you, we might have something to talk about.

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@wwwingman

If you are trading your own money (not mine), and are looking for a collaborative where proven methods might be exchanged for programming of those methods into strategies and if you promise to to sell or broadcast it if it works for you, we might have something to talk about.

Dan

Hi Dan,

I sim trade. and not looking for money.

My approach is discretionary. I don't auto trade. I can show what I do and why but cannot prove anything.

I am looking for a partner to work with, not for.
The indicator/tools/... we will build together will be "owned" by the partner and me. I am not looking to sell anything.

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I am interested. What qualifications or things are you looking to get/give in the relationship/partnership?

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I am interested. What qualifications or things are you looking to get/give in the relationship/partnership?

What I believe I can give : programming time (1-2h / day) + trader/programmer discussions/ideas.

What I am looking for : an experienced professional discretionary day trader willing to discuss with me daily (45 minutes).

I have no specific technical expectancy from the partner.

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I'll PM you some thoughts and ideas that might be useful for what you're setting out to do and we can talk further if you like.

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What might help others is knowing what sort of things you plan to discuss daily? What sort of questions are looking to get answered?

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What might help others is knowing what sort of things you plan to discuss daily? What sort of questions are looking to get answered?

@pyrotrader,

Thank you.

My main goal is to have a daily conversation with a professional trader.

It is important for me to have a regular meeting. I believe it is more effective than occasional meetings.
I am not against groups, but it is not what I am looking for now.
Regarding the pro aspect, it is because I learned a lot from pros and almost nothing from amateurs.
The main difference seem to be amateurs see money as a goal, pros see money as a consequence of good trading.

I think the goal should be a daily meeting of ~45 mn.
I then do 1-2 hours programming for the partner (daily), or for common projects (if of interest to partner).

The meeting is an exchange of general or specific ideas around trading.
There is a lot of info in books/internet/forums/... but brainstorming alone is IMO very tough (vain ?).

My topics of interest :
* concepts I use for my methodology (auction/value/acceptance/rejection/change/path of least resistance/..).
* money management strategies.
* psychology and discipline.
* daily routines, pre/post market analysis, journaling,..
* discretionary / semi automatic / automatic approaches.
* trading markets vs setups vs market understanding..
* scalping / swinging / ...
* industry related topics (HFT/prop shops/exchange/futures vs options vs forex / MFGlobal ...)
and
* one / two market daily/weekly analysis

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I'm currently looking for a programmer to implement automated strategies in the cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) market.
Do you have access to Bitcoin markets on sierra chart? I know NinjaTrader has a plug-in.
I have the strategies detailed in another language. Just need to port them.

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I'm currently looking for a programmer to implement automated strategies in the cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) market.
Do you have access to Bitcoin markets on sierra chart? I know NinjaTrader has a plug-in.
I have the strategies detailed in another language. Just need to port them.

Hi Massive l

I don't have access to Bitcoin, and believe Sierra Chart fully supports bitcoin markets data and trading.

I will PM you.

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Hey wingman! So you are just looking at bouncing ideas [yours and your counterparts] off each other with the
final "quest" being the design of a possible profitable system. Am I correct? I use sierra and noticed that you
posted on sierra support venue and indicated that you had uploaded the EIC vwap dlls, however I could not
locate them on the sub study section. Any way I can get your e-mail address so I can interact with you and
possibly obtain the EIC vwap dll for sierra? Let me know!
Hope you are in a warm state, if not be warm and stay well.
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Hey wingman! So you are just looking at bouncing ideas [yours and your counterparts] off each other with the
final "quest" being the design of a possible profitable system. Am I correct? I use sierra and noticed that you
posted on sierra support venue and indicated that you had uploaded the EIC vwap dlls, however I could not
locate them on the sub study section. Any way I can get your e-mail address so I can interact with you and
possibly obtain the EIC vwap dll for sierra? Let me know!
Hope you are in a warm state, if not be warm and stay well.
Spikeygirl

Hi Spikeygirl,

I am trying to build my daily routine which I believe to be an important part of trading.
I am not looking for somebody to trade with, but believe that being challanged daily on your premarket/post market analysis is useful.
I am not trying to find somebody like me. I came to the conclusion having a professional partner is worth the effort of programming time in exchange of a professional approach and experience. I am not against amateurs, but will not give programming time for that.

The ECIVwap is part of Sierra User contributed since version 1040 and there is a mail in the indicator documentation.

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I am trying to build my daily routine which I believe to be an important part of trading.
I guess I would say that whatever strategy you use to build your daily strategy you MUST trust your set-up. Like any tool one could give a five year old a hammer and before you know it he/she will get the "swing of it" but I am sure the parent or day care provider would not be too pleased with the resulting holes everywhere. But, if the same hammer is given to a carpenter ... well you know the outcome. So, my question to you is; What does your GUT tell you about your strategy? When you implement it or see yourself implementing it do you feel stressed or relaxed?


I am not looking for somebody to trade with, but believe that being challenged daily on your pre-market/post market analysis is useful.
Your BEST challenger is your Profit versus your Loss. If you find yourself making a Profit, avoid getting snarky and just "feel" that it is what is suppose to be; You are a Profitable Trader. However, if you find yourself on the opposite end then re-evaluate where you "stumbled". I heard keeping a journal [date, time, entry, exit, comments] is a great tool. What I would do is place a trade and those stumblers I would stop, playback what was going on then adjust my mental focus, trade the simulator the rest of the day using the SAME strategy I started off with until I was back on track in the Black.


I am not trying to find somebody like me. I came to the conclusion having a professional partner is worth the effort of programming time in exchange of a professional approach and experience. I am not against amateurs, but will not give programming time for that.
You know when I was studying chemistry I would be the "tech support" for the accounting students and you know what? I became a better chemist. They say and I can confirm that sometimes it is the "newbien" who opens a whole lot more doors and windows than a pro. And if you can teach a newbien then before you know it you will be the Go-To-Pro. But, on the other hand the newbien does take up quite a bit of time and can feel like butting heads with a ram at times. LOL I don't require a programmer but would be open to tossing around a few ideas with you, but please ensure you are specific with your inquiries. If you like I would be more than happy to e-mail you my phone number and you can call me [After trading hours, please remember EU is 5 hours difference than US]

The ECIVwap is part of Sierra User contributed since version 1040 and there is a mail in the indicator documentation.
Yes, I did locate it. Thank you in advance.
Look forward to chatting with you [e-mail or by phone]
Ciao'

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...What does your GUT tell you about your strategy? When you implement it or see yourself implementing it do you feel stressed or relaxed?

Good question.
I am still building my strategy. Some technical issues, some decisions to make, some psychological issues.
I feel relaxed because I try to understand what I do and I take the time needed for that. I believe it is the right way for me because it helps me build confidence.


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...Your BEST challenger is your Profit versus your Loss.

I completely disagree. I think money is the main problem in trading because it hides the name of the game : skill building. My belief is that there are 4 kind of trades : good/bad/win/lose. My goal is to make good trades and some of them will be losers/cost of business. The income is a natural consequence of a good skill. I am not saying this is true, I am saying it is my belief and it goes far beyond trading.


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...You know when I was studying chemistry I would be the "tech support" for the accounting students and you know what? I became a better chemist. They say and I can confirm that sometimes it is the "newbien" who opens a whole lot more doors and windows than a pro.

I agree. However, you did not become a chimist through newbies. You did it with advanced teachers.
Talking to newbies traders indeed helps me. However talking to pros makes me progress a lot, and talking to newbies+ motivates me but does not make me progress. It is like any martial art, you can learn with beginners but you will never be a master without a master. Life is too short.

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Question: Would you agree that one must be able to "gauge" a strategy to determine if it is efficient?

When I stated that you should "use" Profit/Loss as your challenger I am not speaking in terms of NET. I am speaking in terms of using P/L as a Determinant of your overall strategy. Like a balance or scale. If your strategy is worthwhile then your POSITIVE balance would be heavier than the other scale side.

As for the psychology portion: If you have determined via testing that the scale you use[technical or analytics] is efficient and effective enough to produce a greater than positive to negative ratio then experiment with it. But like any test try it with a minimum amount at first until it proves to be worthy of a larger sum. Just like TRUST it has to be EARNED.

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True one does require a more educated person to show them the ropes but the BEST teacher does expect the pupil to gain a grasp of the foundation in order that the pupil can move on. The pupil can only do this by [Buddhist
Methodology] by assisting those who are struggling to obtain a better understanding of the foundational material to which the teacher has taught the pupil.

If you have not, you should read the Art of War, it is an amazing book with great insight and may help you out with what ever is holding you back.

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True one does require a more educated person to show them the ropes but the BEST teacher does expect the pupil to gain a grasp of the foundation in order that the pupil can move on. The pupil can only do this by [Buddhist
Methodology] by assisting those who are struggling to obtain a better understanding of the foundational material to which the teacher has taught the pupil.

If you have not, you should read the Art of War, it is an amazing book with great insight and may help you out with what ever is holding you back.

Thank-you @Spikeygirl !

W.

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Just wanted to say a quick thank you to all those that answered my request here/PM/Email.

For those that want a feedback about this initiative:
* I met 19 people through this futures.io (formerly BMT) proposal
* Most of them had ~1-4 years of trading experience
* Most were looking for a free programmer, few gave valuable advices.

Overall, I did not find what I was looking for initially.
However, I made progress through this proposal.
Special thanks to @Spikeygirl .

Bottom line: I think the process of becoming an independent professional trader pushes us to Excellency. However, this journey, for retail traders, can lead to social isolation and this is a problem for some us.
This is one of the main reasons why I suggested this partnership.

On one side you want to be good at your art, on the other side you know time is your most important resource so you have to manage it wisely.
I spend time with people I like because it helps me and them and gives me a feeling of fulfillment that I believe important to my project in life.
However, I have a hard time meeting people that have many years of experience in this business and this proposal did not achieve this goal.
In a way this is like looking for a business associate, but without the money aspect which I hoped would make things easier.

Maybe my proposal was of no good value to such a person, or because he/she don't understand the value of the proposition, or because he/she did not see the proposal.

I will continue looking for such a partner through other ways and will let you know

Happy trading to you all

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