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Trading the new CME E-Micro's (E micro) MES, MNQ, MYM, M2K and other micros

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I wonder what commission will be with Ninjatrader Brokerage

We will be updating the www.[AUTOLINK]ninjatrader[/AUTOLINK].com website with lower commission rates for all micro products as early as this afternoon but no later than Monday.

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Looks like IB has updated their commissions for fixed structure,

CME: MES, MNQ, M2K
CBOT: MYM
NYMEX: MGC, SIL

0.25 USD

Exchange fees .22 per side, so all in should be .47 each side.

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Ninjatrader is the commission rate increase by 6 cents apply to all customers or new customers?

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For more experienced traders, one of the main benefits of these micro contracts is that you can offset your E-mini positions with these micro contracts. This allows you to scale in and out a bit easier.

It is true that the micro offers a virtually zero basis-risk hedge for the mini.

It is also perhaps true that the above quoted text from NT is classic broker-speak, bless them

"The benefit if this product is that it will generate more commissions for us if we 'educate' customers to be 'sophisticated' and use the micro as a position scaling-out or temporary partial risk-off hedge tool v.s. an open mini position"

For goodness sake, if the micro is that liquid and has equivalent commission-efficiency for the trader, then people will just trade the micro and scale in and out with greater granularity thanks to the smaller size. The mini will get crowded-out - to a degree - as a result.

ps, today, CME's reported earnings fell 17% Q1. They need this ES micro product to fly where their other micro-contract hopes have flunked. They are competing for retail revenue with the ETF universe and nano-CFD's of myriad specifications, and the tyranny of time-zone (they provide exchange services in products that are most liquid for only a fraction of the day when most retail accounts want to trade, and in products that are mostly of US-domestic interest).

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Here is the latest commission rates. https://ninjatrader.com/PDF/ninjatrader_futures_commissions.pdf
They will be charging all in rate of 41 cents for the micro eminis. They have also raised the cost of all other products.

The commission efficiency going to happen because 10 micros would cost you $4.10 vs 1 emini would cost you $1.89.
I like the idea of scaling in and out with these. CME presentation said that you can buy 1 emini and scale out with 10 micros to go flat.

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Are the micro and mini fungible?

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Are the micro and mini fungible?

I believe if you buy 10 micro then sell 1 mini, your position would be open but hedged.
But if you buy 1 mini then sell 10 micros, your position would be closed.

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Ninjatrader is the commission rate increase by 6 cents apply to all customers or new customers?

New customers.

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I believe if you buy 10 micro then sell 1 mini, your position would be open but hedged.
But if you buy 1 mini then sell 10 micros, your position would be closed.

If fungible, I wondered how they would deal with partial offset. There is no such thing as being long 0.6 ESU9 after selling 4 micros against a 1 lot long ES. And to convert a 1 lot ES position into 6 Micro's would be surely complicated at the clearing house? So the all-or-nothing approach you describe makes more sense. I wonder how the many retail trading platforms are going to deal with this? The two symbols net to zero, but only if in a 10:1 ratio.

And Order Flow analysis implications...

- if many intraday traders get long ES over a 10 minute period, the eventual opposing ES sell order flow may only be evident in the micro order flow? Gorge in the ES, puke in the micro???

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