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Difference between IntraBarOrderGeneration and Bar Magnifier
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Difference between IntraBarOrderGeneration and Bar Magnifier

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Hmmm, actually it's still not making any sense. this is what I'm looking at, at the moment (test indicator and signal)

2011-03-23_1741 - ccfeldt's library

with modified entry condition to simulate the "cross above" (open below, close above for a tick or minimal time period)
I get:

2011-03-23_1743 - ccfeldt's library

I understand the indSymbol and indColor won't be affected my the tick bars, but the entries are also off.
Very grateful for any help, if there's someone here that successfully uses this in a signal.

I've tried with both settings for "Mode Selection" (entry/exit based on broker execution or not) without any different results.

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Not sure if I'm understanding correctly, but I trade tick/tick....

I can use setstopcontract/setprofittarget and setstopcontract/setdollartrailing and it does a fairly good job of assuming the OHLC...obviously it has better precision/resolution with smaller timeframe charts (or the larger your profit-stop bracket is with respect to average bars).

However, as you pointed out, the part where the backtest fails miserably is that without looking inside the bar for entry criteria, I'm stuck using previous bar confirmation of an event and waiting till the next bar to initiate the trade obviously has undesirable consquences on the result of the backtest.

If you wait till the next bar on a 60 minute for an MA triggered entry, many times you've already missed the bus when backtesting.

The only thing I've been able to do is backtest, record the results and then forward test in simulation and do a quantitiative comparison between the results to give a sort of "interpolation factor."

i.e. if I backtest a strategy bar to bar and it yields a 1.05 profit factor and a 56% win rate, then forward test and it yields a 1.5 profit factor and 68%, I can draw linear conclusions (rough) as the the relative conversion rate for similar type strategies.

The problem as you might suspect is that beyond being a "crude" comparison, the relevance goes down with the ratio of period evaluated in backtest compared to period evaluated in forward test.

I can hedge out a little bit of that by simply backtesting the same period I forward tested, getting that ratio and then applying it further back (and further forward).

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Hello RM99 - thanks for taking an interest.
It seems to me that setstopcontract and setdollartrailing is something else. My problem is that I can't seem to get into my desired position in the middle of the candle, even when [IntrabarOrderGeneration = true]; is set.

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Hello RM99 - thanks for taking an interest.
It seems to me that setstopcontract and setdollartrailing is something else. My problem is that I can't seem to get into my desired position in the middle of the candle, even when [IntrabarOrderGeneration = true]; is set.

Well, I can't even get TradeStation to backtest when IOG is turned on. (or intrabarpersist). I'd be happy if the entry were simply tick/tick....

I use a customized tick/tick money management, but just having the entries correct would be awesome.

I feel your pain....on a large chart, waiting till the next bar really destroys the relevancy of the backtest.

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