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If you are going to chose another pair, make sure to use an uncorrelated pair (as much as possible). If you trade GBPUSD for example, most of the time it will feel like trading EURUSD, when one is flat so is the other usually.

Go for GBPJPY if you like fast markets, but it is a dangerous pair i think :P be careful!

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Go for GBPJPY if you like fast markets, but it is a dangerous pair i think :P be careful!

It is not because is dangerous it is because the spread is too high.

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It is not because is dangerous it is because the spread is too high.

That's what I was thinking - but I believe the crosses are a little more "dangerous' in general because they are mostly a derivative of two majors. They therefore don't behave like the majors in that you can get nice moves but you can also get more extreme moves in the wrong direction, or just a cancellation effect when the majors are trending.

For example, say you're long GBP.JPY and the Cable is strengthening. Well you're good as long as the Yen doesn't strengthen as well (and it often will if the USD weakens). If not your trade is really a bet that the Cable is going to strengthen more than the yen. I think this makes for a weaker trade - a good trend on a major can be washed out or go nowhere on a cross (and do you really want to ignore the USD in the current risk on/risk off paradigm?).

Even so, a trader might have a good case for Cable vs Yen and this can make for a stronger trend, but that can also go the other way - if, say, the Cable weakens but Yen strengthens. I believe in most cases I would really rather be long either currency against the USD than a cross pair unless I had a specific reason - or was too experienced to be asking the OP's question!

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AUDUSD and NZDUSD can be quite good and trending
USDCAD was good until it started basing for months :P

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Apart from EUR/USD I trade the AUD/USD, GBP/USD, and the Yen pairs: EUR/JPY, AUD/JPY and GBP/JPY. I used to trade other pairs such USD/CHF, CHF/JPY and other crosses, but the average day's move are not so great in some pairs. So I prefer to trade pairs with high average day's move, I also take the pairs spread into consideration and also I look at the average week's move...

Be in mind that market condition can change any time.

What do I mean by average day's move: [Based on my data]

Average Day's move:

EUR/USD - 124 pips
AUD/USD - 102 pips
GBP/USD - 106 pips
USD/CHF - 90 pips

EUR/JPY - 120 pips
AUD/JPY - 100 pips
GBP/JPY - 122 pips
CHF/JPY - 84 pips

Now look at the average day's move of USD/JPY - 60 pips; So leave it alone. Well you got the idea.

I don't share your conclusion. This is a bit of a simplistic reasoning. To find the most interesting currency pair, you would look at the $ volatility per lot in relation to the bid-ask spread and commissions. I do not want to produce an excel table here with the different pairs, so let us just compare EUR/USD and USD/JPY. Let us further assume that I buy 1 lot of EUR against the USD or 1 lot of USD against the JPY.


You cannot compare the pip values of the daily ranges of two FOREX pairs with different base currencies

Daily range of the last 4 weeks for EURUSD: 108 pips, value of 1 pip = 0.0001 $. The $-value of the daily range is therefore 108 pips * 0.0001 $/pip * 100,000 = $ 1,080

Daily range of the last 4 weeks for USDJPY: 83 pips, value of 1 pip = 0.01 Yen. The $-value of the daily range is therefore 83 pips * 0.01 Yen/pip * 0.0124 $/Yen * 100,000 = $ 1,029


You need to take into account the position size

Actually the USDJPY has a higher volatility compared to the EURUSD, as the $ value of $ 1,029 refers to the purchase of 1 lot of USD, which is a smaller position compared to 1 lot of EUR. Actually if you divide the $ value of your daily range by the position size, you will get

-> relative daily range USDJPY = 1.029 %
-> relative daily range EURUSD = 0.822%

This is just the contrary of what you explained.

USDJPY actually has a higher volatility than EURUSD.


This is just to show that you cannot measure volatility in pips, if you compare FOREX pairs with a different base currency. In the end you need to compare the spread and the commissions for 1 lot - that is what you pay - with the $ amount of the volatility - that is what you get for your money.


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Apart from EUR/USD I trade the AUD/USD, GBP/USD, and the Yen pairs: EUR/JPY, AUD/JPY and GBP/JPY. I used to trade other pairs such USD/CHF, CHF/JPY and other crosses, but the average day's move are not so great in some pairs. So I prefer to trade pairs with high average day's move, I also take the pairs spread into consideration and also I look at the average week's move...

Be in mind that market condition can change any time.

What do I mean by average day's move: [Based on my data]

Average Day's move:

EUR/USD - 124 pips
AUD/USD - 102 pips
GBP/USD - 106 pips
USD/CHF - 90 pips

EUR/JPY - 120 pips
AUD/JPY - 100 pips
GBP/JPY - 122 pips
CHF/JPY - 84 pips

Now look at the average day's move of USD/JPY - 60 pips; So leave it alone. Well you got the idea.

Beautiful! Super helpful. I'm a dummy and have been trading USD/CHF... ugh it's such a love/hate thing when you figure out what you've been doing wrong but find out how to make it right.

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I don't share your conclusion. This is a bit of a simplistic reasoning. To find the most interesting currency pair, you would look at the $ volatility per lot in relation to the bid-ask spread and commissions. I do not want to produce an excel table here with the different pairs, so let us just compare EUR/USD and USD/JPY. Let us further assume that I buy 1 lot of EUR against the USD or 1 lot of USD against the JPY.


You cannot compare the pip values of the daily ranges of two FOREX pairs with different base currencies

Daily range of the last 4 weeks for EURUSD: 108 pips, value of 1 pip = 0.0001 $. The $-value of the daily range is therefore 108 pips * 0.0001 $/pip * 100,000 = $ 1,080

Daily range of the last 4 weeks for USDJPY: 83 pips, value of 1 pip = 0.01 Yen. The $-value of the daily range is therefore 83 pips * 0.01 Yen/pip * 0.0124 $/Yen * 100,000 = $ 1,029


You need to take into account the position size

Actually the USDJPY has a higher volatility compared to the EURUSD, as the $ value of $ 1,029 refers to the purchase of 1 lot of USD, which is a smaller position compared to 1 lot of EUR. Actually if you divide the $ value of your daily range by the position size, you will get

-> relative daily range USDJPY = 1.029 %
-> relative daily range EURUSD = 0.822%

This is just the contrary of what you explained.

USDJPY actually has a higher volatility than EURUSD.


This is just to show that you cannot measure volatility in pips, if you compare FOREX pairs with a different base currency. In the end you need to compare the spread and the commissions for 1 lot - that is what you pay - with the $ amount of the volatility - that is what you get for your money.

Hi Harry, I do respect and appreciate your thoughts, but I also do not share your conclusion. Even tho I believe you are right, but for me it is a bit complex way to think, mainly when it comes to the reality and put it in practice... So I prefer to keep things very simple "simplistic" as you will, simplicity makes me money and complexity losses me money. And the funny thing is that simplest things are the hardest for most people truly understand...


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Hi Harry, I do respect and appreciate your thoughts, but I also do not share your conclusion. Even tho I believe you are right, but for me it is a bit complex way to think, mainly when it comes to the reality and put it in practice... So I prefer to keep things very simple "simplistic" as you will, simplicity makes me money and complexity losses me money. And the funny thing is that simplest things are the hardest for most people truly understand...


@mrphr: I love simplicity, but you are simply confusing things.

Your comparison for pip ranges is only correct, if you look at pairs with the same base currency.

Your conclusion to leave USD/JPY alone is definitely false.


Or would you say that a hamburger, which is sold for € 1.00 is cheaper then a hamburger which sells at US-$ 1.10 just because 1.00 is smaller than 1.10?

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@mrphr: I love simplicity, but you are simply confusing things.

Your comparison for pip ranges is only correct, if you look at pairs with the same base currency.

Your conclusion to leave USD/JPY alone is definitely false.


Or would you say that a hamburger, which is sold for € 1.00 is cheaper then a hamburger which sells at US-$ 1.10 just because 1.00 is smaller than 1.10?

@Fat Tails

Right now based on my data EUR/USD daily range is 104 and the USD/CHF daily range is 78... 104>78 so I prefer to trade EUR/USD instead of USD/CHF...

Today I had a sell signal on EUR/USD and a buy signal on USD/CHF, but I only short the EUR/USD [and also EUR/JPY].
Once 104>78 why would I want to make less...

If it is false or confusing I do not know, all I know I only trade pairs and instruments that have high potencial for profits.

Having said that, in my case if the potencial for profits on the currencies is greater than 100 points daily [and I also look for weekly potencial] I do trade it, if it is not I do not trade it and I will leave it alone... And I also mention before on my previous post I also take others things into consideration such as spread for example if I am trading forex...

Again, the way I think could be false or confusing, but I do not mind... If X>Y then I prefer X. And it works very well for me...


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@Fat Tails

Right now based on my data EUR/USD daily range is 104 and the USD/CHF daily range is 78... 104>78 so I prefer to trade EUR/USD instead of USD/CHF...

Today I had a sell signal on EUR/USD and a buy signal on USD/CHF, but I only short the EUR/USD [and also EUR/JPY].
Once 104>78 why would I want to make less...

If it is false or confusing I do not know, all I know I only trade pairs and instruments that have high potencial for profits.

Having said that, in my case if the potencial for profits on the currencies is greater than 100 points daily [and I also look for weekly potencial] I do trade it, if it is not I do not trade it and I will leave it alone... And I also mention before on my previous post I also take others things into consideration such as spread for example if I am trading forex...

Again, the way I think could be false or confusing, but I do not mind... If X>Y then I prefer X. And it works very well for me...


Either you cannot or you do not want to understand. A pip depends on the base currency of the pair. The base currency is the second currency.

For EURJPY the base currency is JPY, for USDCHF the base currency is CHF. JPY pips are different from CHF pips.


You would not compare the price of a hamburger in USD, CHF, EUR and JPY and then conclude it is cheaper in Euro, because that is the highest valued currency.


You can only compare pip ranges of currency pairs that use the same base currency.


Otherwise you need to convert all pips to the same base currency before comparing them.

As you would do with the hamburger.

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