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>50% win rate intraday with stop=target ?

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I always go for a reward that is at least the size of my risk for less win rate, I want a reward that is at least twice as large as my risk and in pretty much no case should traders be taking trades where the risk is greater than the reward because then you have to be right 80% or 90% of the time. Thatís very difficult to do, even for a very experienced trader.

True. The only problem is you still have to find enough of those larger winners and they have to be large enough to overcome all the losses.

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Does anyone managed to make more than 50% win rate, intraday, with same stop as target ?
Cm'on, it has just to be a bit better than flipping a coin...
Any idea, suggestion, strategy report, signal ?
Could be a new challenge idea for BigMike ;-)

If they told you yes, would you believe them?

And then what?

A little lost about the same stop as target part.

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Winrate doesnít necessarily matter as big as RR, try to get 1:3+ RR minimum on your trades and the required winrate is around 35% to be profitable. Much easier on the psyche.

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try to get 1:3+ RR minimum on your trades


They still (as ever, historically) have different belief-sets in Lancashire from those prevalent in Yorkshire.

All my own experiences over the decades I've been interested in trading, and interested in discussing techniques and methods with successful retail traders, have gradually but inexorably led me to the conclusion: that reward-to-risk ratios of 3.0 or more are very, very rarely viable or profitable over the long term for retail traders. And the long term's what matters, isn't it?

There are some very specific reasons for this, IMO.

With a 25% win-rate, over a series of about 600 trades, the chances are around 50/50 that you'll have a consecutive losing run of 20 or more trades. Not that "longest losing runs" are the real problem, anyway: "long losing patches" are far more common (by which I mean "series of consecutive results including mostly losers and a few winners which are financially equivalent in their overall outcome to a long losing run of consecutive trades"). And over a much longer run than 600 trades, the chances of hitting 45 losers over 50 consecutive trades are getting up toward 100%.

The specific problem with this is that when it happens (NB: not "if" it happens), it's going to be almost impossible to judge whether you're just having a "perfectly predictable really bad run" or what you're doing is no longer working, and you're just going to continue to lose more and more with it, if you continue. And that's a really nasty but entirely foreseeable problem one surely must try to avoid?

All of which is why in practice it's far more comfortable, IMO, to have a win-rate much closer to 50% than anyone's ever likely to achieve with a 1:3+ RR. But I wish you well with it, if you can really pull it off, long term!

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Winrate doesnít necessarily matter as big as RR, try to get 1:3+ RR minimum on your trades and the required winrate is around 35% to be profitable. Much easier on the psyche.

Looking at the strategies I trade, 1:3 risk to reward is outside of my personal range.

I am much closer to @Tymbeline 's 50%


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