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Hello, any experience with commodities spread trading? Any good course to learn from?

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Hello, any experience with commodities spread trading? Any good course to learn from?

I do a lot of commodity spread trading. Which commodities are you trading ?

I do not know of any course.

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I'm a newbie on futures commodities spread trading... I saw the course from tradeandfinance.eu and they use the seasonalgo platform but I don't know if it works longterm with their technical analysis as I'm not a fan of technicals like double top or bottom. And the cost of courses is something like 900$ each (for 2 courses)... I don't found a better and cheaper place to learn.

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I'm a newbie on futures commodities spread trading... I saw the course from tradeandfinance.eu and they use the seasonalgo platform but I don't know if it works longterm with their technical analysis as I'm not a fan of technicals like double top or bottom. And the cost of courses is something like 900$ each (for 2 courses)... I don't found a better and cheaper place to learn.

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You are new to spread trading. Are you experienced in trading of outright futures ?

If they use the seasonalgo platform it looks like you are interested in seasonal spread trading. Is this what you are looking for ?

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You are new to spread trading. Are you experienced in trading of outright futures ?

If they use the seasonalgo platform it looks like you are interested in seasonal spread trading. Is this what you are looking for ?

Best regards, Myrrdin

I don't have experience in trading outright futures... and yes, I'm looking for only the seasonal spread trading but I can't find any information about how to leg a spread and how to trade seasonal futures spread by adjusting the trading seasonal window and how to use the seasonalgo (I found only courses and weekly paid subscriptions on their site tradeandfinance.eu about this but I don't like that they use technicals at the end for confirmation, from an opinion from internet the technical analysis has no scientific value).

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I don't have experience in trading outright futures... and yes, I'm looking for only the seasonal spread trading but I can't find any information about how to leg a spread and how to trade seasonal futures spread by adjusting the trading seasonal window and how to use the seasonalgo (I found only courses and weekly paid subscriptions on their site tradeandfinance.eu about this but I don't like that they use technicals at the end for confirmation, from an opinion from internet the technical analysis has no scientific value).

If you have no experience in trading, I would strongly recommend to begin with reading some relevant books. You can also have a look at the thread "Seasonal Trades" in this forum in the Commodities Section.

The second step would be to paper trade at least for some months.

MRCI offers some support to learn seasonal trading. They are probably the company with the most experience in teaching seasonal trading. I use their seasonal charts sucessfully for many years.

And: Be critical about what you read in the internet. I trade based mainly on fundamentals, but I would not say technical analysis is worthless.

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I'm a newbie on futures commodities spread trading... I saw the course from tradeandfinance.eu and they use the seasonalgo platform but I don't know if it works longterm with their technical analysis as I'm not a fan of technicals like double top or bottom. And the cost of courses is something like 900$ each (for 2 courses)... I don't found a better and cheaper place to learn.

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You may want to try this link:
Trading Educators

There are books (Hard copy and Ebooks) on offer. I think the material here will help you to get your head around spread trading.

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You may want to try this link:
tradingeducators.com

There are books (Hard copy and Ebooks) on offer. I think the material here will help you to get your head around spread trading.

Thank you for your suggestion but as I told before, I'm not a fan of any traditional technical analysis unless it's a quant analysis for seasonal trading and if a trader answered before here that I can check the Seasonal Traders thread here, so I found there that the only objective service is from a quant from seasonax.com but it's for Bloomberg institutional traders which cost 24.000$ the annual membership only the platform. So the trading is not for me. The only choice remain the regular job.

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Thank you for your suggestion but as I told before, I'm not a fan of any traditional technical analysis unless it's a quant analysis for seasonal trading and if a trader answered before here that I can check the Seasonal Traders thread here, so I found there that the only objective service is from a quant from seasonax.com but it's for Bloomberg institutional traders which cost 24.000$ the annual membership only the platform. So the trading is not for me. The only choice remain the regular job.

Jerry Toepke from MRCI offers a weekly subscription, which you get for 135 USD per year. There is a free trial. You find details on their homepage.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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I also recommend Jonathan Rose at activedaytrader.com

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Jerry Toepke from MRCI offers a weekly subscription, which you get for 135 USD per year. There is a free trial. You find details on their homepage.

Best regards, Myrrdin

Happy to find this thread. Was looking for sources of information on spreads and MRCI really is a big one.

Thanks myrrdin !

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I came to this topic after reading 2 books: Ross and Schap.
Still I am looking for an alternative (free is possible) to seasonalgo or mrci as futures spread trading will only be one part of my trading on derivatives.
I can "do it myself" in a less sophisticated manner and mostly for the previous 5 years by using one graph/year for the history of a given spread with Spreadchart but of course it is some work. The difficulty is not to analyse/display an ongoing or future spread but an historical one...
In summary I will explore the list of the following link but it is difficult to do without one of the two providers mentioned above...

Edit Finally I remove the link.
I am adding the links where maybe it can be interesting.
Anyone trying can give us some feedback
https://app.spreadcharts.com/
https://seasonaltrader.com/

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I do a lot of commodity spread trading. Which commodities are you trading ?

I do not know of any course.

Best regards, Myrrdin

Can I know what commodities do you trade? Intraday or overnight?

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I do a lot of commodity spread trading. Which commodities are you trading ?

I do not know of any course.

Best regards, Myrrdin

I'm trying to send you a dm.. But my post counts are not enough. Let me accumulate and then redo it.

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What do u trade today? And why are u looking at spreads? Do u use day trade margins or u have the account to swing trade spreads with reduced margin.. most times your constraints will answer your questions on whether you want to and can do it and which ones u should be looking at


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Can I know what commodities do you trade? Intraday or overnight?

Among my favorite trades are S-2*C, C-W, KW-W, RB-HO.

I usually hold the trades for weeks or months. According to my experience, it is very difficult for retail traders to mke money in these markets with intraday trades.

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I'm trying to send you a dm.. But my post counts are not enough. Let me accumulate and then redo it.

No problem. In case it is a eneral question i prefer to read it in the thread. Thus, the answer can be read by everyone.

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i wasn't trading very much into commodity trading. but got hooked with Fxview research reports. i've traded on their S/R levels for USOUSD only. check if they suit your needs. not an educational platform but ya, good if you just want S/R levels with fundamental interpretation

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