NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





The CL Crude-analysis Thread


Discussion in Commodities

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one SMCJB with 683 posts (1,274 thanks)
    2. looks_two mfbreakout with 303 posts (479 thanks)
    3. looks_3 WilleeMac with 275 posts (218 thanks)
    4. looks_4 ron99 with 165 posts (262 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one SMCJB with 1.9 thanks per post
    2. looks_two mfbreakout with 1.6 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 ron99 with 1.6 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 WilleeMac with 0.8 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 618,001 views
    2. thumb_up 3,558 thanks given
    3. group 286 followers
    1. forum 2,696 posts
    2. attach_file 644 attachments




 
Search this Thread

The CL Crude-analysis Thread

  #701 (permalink)
 
SMCJB's Avatar
 SMCJB 
Houston TX
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT and Stellar
Broker: Advantage Futures
Trading: Primarily Energy but also a little Equities, Fixed Income, Metals and Crypto.
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Never
Posts: 5,049 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 4,388
Thanks Received: 10,207

Apr/May spread getting hammered. Settled at -208 traded as low as -240 over night.
Brent/WTI back out over $10

Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
About a successful futures trader who didnt know anythin …
Psychology and Money Management
Better Renko Gaps
The Elite Circle
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
Trade idea based off three indicators.
Traders Hideout
 
  #702 (permalink)
 
mfbreakout's Avatar
 mfbreakout 
BOSTON, MA
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Tradestation, TOS
Trading: ES, CL, GC
Posts: 7,254 since Oct 2010
Thanks Given: 3,478
Thanks Received: 15,818


mfbreakout View Post
Staying short but it's not easy as we get different signals etc.


Slow selling with dead cat bounces of no more than 25 ticks in between is a CLEAR SIGN to stay the course. I covered at 46.10 before NY open and then after 30 minutes reshorted around 46.11. When will i get completely out? Whenever there is a FLUSH DOWN and then reversal of that FLUSH DOWN.



My posts are not meant to give financial advice neither do they imply that my method is special. "THIS IS WHAT I COULD BE IF I HAD A TOTALLY CARE FREE STATE OF MIND DURING TRADING" Mark Douglas.
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #703 (permalink)
 
mfbreakout's Avatar
 mfbreakout 
BOSTON, MA
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Tradestation, TOS
Trading: ES, CL, GC
Posts: 7,254 since Oct 2010
Thanks Given: 3,478
Thanks Received: 15,818


London Close at 11.30 am eastern time plus upcoimg lunch hour plus CL down 3.5%- i wll not be surprised if CL chops around for next hour or so.



My posts are not meant to give financial advice neither do they imply that my method is special. "THIS IS WHAT I COULD BE IF I HAD A TOTALLY CARE FREE STATE OF MIND DURING TRADING" Mark Douglas.
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #704 (permalink)
Alphachase
Nicosia, Cyprus
 
Posts: 191 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 28
Thanks Received: 106

Baker Hughes weekly rig update (available on their corporate website):


Quoting 
Baker Hughes Rig Count: U.S. -67 to 1125 rigs

U.S. Rig Count is down 67 rigs from last week to 1125, with oil rigs down 56 to 866, gas rigs down 11 to 257, and miscellaneous rigs unchanged at 2.

U.S. Rig Count is down 684 rigs from last year at 1809, with oil rigs down 595, gas rigs down 87, and miscellaneous rigs down 2.

The U.S. Offshore rig count is 48, down 3 rigs from last week, and down 6 rigs year over year.


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #705 (permalink)
 
Hulk's Avatar
 Hulk 
Texas, USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT, Custom
Trading: Futures, Spreads
Posts: 369 since May 2014
Thanks Given: 731
Thanks Received: 901

I am sure you all are aware of this but just in case, until 3/29, london close is at 12:30 ET. We move forward first week end of March and London does it the last week end of march. Similar situation when we fall back.

For reference:
Daylight saving time dates for United Kingdom ? England ? London between 2014 and 2018

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #706 (permalink)
Alphachase
Nicosia, Cyprus
 
Posts: 191 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 28
Thanks Received: 106


Hulk View Post
I am sure you all are aware of this but just in case, until 3/29, london close is at 12:30 ET. We move forward first week end of March and London does it the last week end of march. Similar situation when we fall back.

For reference:
Daylight saving time dates for United Kingdom ? England ? London between 2014 and 2018

We know but thanks anyways.

Reply With Quote
  #707 (permalink)
Alphachase
Nicosia, Cyprus
 
Posts: 191 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 28
Thanks Received: 106

Oil Prices Tumble After IEA Warning - WSJ

If locked try google the title Oil Prices Tumble After IEA Warning.

Reply With Quote
  #708 (permalink)
 
SMCJB's Avatar
 SMCJB 
Houston TX
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT and Stellar
Broker: Advantage Futures
Trading: Primarily Energy but also a little Equities, Fixed Income, Metals and Crypto.
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Never
Posts: 5,049 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 4,388
Thanks Received: 10,207

Zerohedge: Oil Price Faces Another 20% Drop Due To Contango Math

I think Zerohedge is rather bleak in its outlook of life and seems to be continually predicting the end of the financial system but I thought you guys might appreciate this article. It claims to reference a Soc Gen piece but extensive Google searching has been unable to find said article
You need to understand the economics of the floating storage play, Soc Gen says.
It walks through the costs of floating storage and makes an argument that prices need to be a lot steeper for it to work. There's what appears to be a nice diagram illustrating this but it's almost unreadable.



Oil Price Faces Another 20% Drop Due To Contango Math | Zero Hedge

Reply With Quote
  #709 (permalink)
 
SMCJB's Avatar
 SMCJB 
Houston TX
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT and Stellar
Broker: Advantage Futures
Trading: Primarily Energy but also a little Equities, Fixed Income, Metals and Crypto.
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Never
Posts: 5,049 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 4,388
Thanks Received: 10,207

Interestingly when searching for the Soc Gen article I stumbled upon a plethora of other articles saying the floating storage arbitrage is closed and nobody is doing it.

Platts March 12th:- ANALYSIS: Narrowing crude contango takes steam out of floating storage
The floating storage play eyed by oil traders around the world earlier this year has failed to materialise in any significant manner because of a narrowing of the contango in Brent-related crudes.

Of around 42 VLCCs taken on time charter earlier this year with options for floating storage during the contango driven demand period, only four were confirmed to be doing floating storage in Asia, a VLCC broker in Singapore said.

A London-based broker put the number of VLCCs being used for storage at three. "We have been tracking these ships very closely and, as far as we can see, the DHT Falcon, the Eliza and the Alsace are the only VLCCs being used for floating storage".

Financial Times March 9th :- Traders left adrift as oil storage trade loses its lustre
The world’s biggest oil traders rushed to hire supertankers at the start of the year. The idea was to buy cheap barrels of crude, store it at sea and lock in a profit by selling contracts in the futures market. But only a couple of the almost 40 vessels originally chartered to hold crude offshore for up to 12 months are doing so, shipbrokers and analysts say....
Ship & Bunker March 4th :- Floating Storage Down as "Super Profit" in Crude Market is "Just Not There"

WSJ Feb 26th :- Oil Storage Sinks as Price Bobs / Storing oil in tanker ships is becoming less profitable amid heightened volatility

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #710 (permalink)
 rosho01 
London/UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: IBs ladder / Market Delta charts
Broker: IB / IQfeed
Trading: Bund
Posts: 438 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 260
Thanks Received: 96



gtrader62 View Post
I have utmost respect for traders seeking to understand price activity to any market.

However, I am at odds with indicators of the modern era.

If Gann or Babson can....with a pencil and paper turn $130 into $12,000 in 1909.... what is your Market Profile going to do for you in comparison?

Either your self-convinced it gives you an edge, or in fact...its a exaggeration for your eyes to relate with.

Here is a measure of proof...out of love, someone is taking the time to help me...


Wyckoff's post to US Congress and Wall Street....publications sustaining Gann's trade decisions and predictions.

Is Gann a fluke or was his perspectives true... as compared to market profile?


I can tell you truthfully, he would not use it.

Gann had his mind... pencil and paper.


Attachment 177879



Have a lovely day.

I had no idea there were wheat options in 1909, I knew agri derivs have existed for centuries but actual listed options back then, wow. Surprised livermore didnt leverage up on these.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote




Last Updated on March 23, 2024


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts