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Synthetic Commodities Market

I was looking into trying to reduce market noise for strategy development and I read the best way to do that is to create a synthetic index market, such as (Gold + Silver + Platinum). In your guys opinion what do you think the best formula for creating this market? its not as simple as Gold + Silver + platinum due to the way they move and silver being drastically different in price.

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Define "market noise" and elaborate on exactly what your goals are for the synthetic product.

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market noise:
the actual definition is to complex for me to try to explain but a simple example is if you take Gold and Silver and create an index and for example you have a 1min bar that goes up on GC and a 1 min SI bar that goes down on the same 1 min bar a properly scaled index should be able to take that into consideration and create a chart that is less noisy than looking at two separate charts. add three or four commodities and the less noisy it can get.

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the easiest way would be to compare it to something like the S&P 500 except with a few commodities and not stocks. To combine stock its much easier but with futures you have big point value/ contract size and price to try to figure out how to properly create a synthetic market.

So my end goal would be a index where when the strategy buy's 1 contract of it, in reality its buying 1 GC 2 SI and 1 PL or what ever the current sizing would be.

so the question being how to properly create the index when it comes to commodities.


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one idea might be:

NewIndex = Gold + (Silver * beta)



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I've also created synthetic products, but I wouldn't say it was to eliminate noise exactly.

One reason is to actually trade the synthetic product, if it's made up of 3 other products you scale and weight them and then when a signal is produced on the synthetic you take positions in the underlying accordingly.

Is this what you are trying to accomplish? Will you take both a gold and a silver position in your example, or are you interested in using this synthetic product as some sort of "filter" where you would take only a position in one product?

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it will be used as an index where if a signal is made then the underlying will be bought or sold according to the proper size.




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I've also created synthetic products, but I wouldn't say it was to eliminate noise exactly.

One reason is to actually trade the synthetic product, if it's made up of 3 other products you scale and weight them and then when a signal is produced on the synthetic you take positions in the underlying accordingly.

Is this what you are trying to accomplish? Will you take both a gold and a silver position in your example, or are you interested in using this synthetic product as some sort of "filter" where you would take only a position in one product?

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it will be used as an index where if a signal is made then the underlying will be bought or sold according to the proper size.

I cannot offer any advice, I've played with this idea but never followed thru with it in live trading due to a long list of "wish list" items that I never seem to have time to get to.

But keep us posted on your findings, because I do believe this has value.

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