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Trading ZB? Please share your experience.

If you trade Treasury Bonds, real time, real money, Can you please share your experience. Any insight and tips would be appreciated.

I have traded CL and ES for long time with variable success, but recently looked at ZB charts and thought that ZB charts are more stable, more predictable and have less whipsaws compared with ES. I would appreciate any advice and tips on how to trade ZB. Thanks.

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If you trade Treasury Bonds, real time, real money, Can you please share your experience. Any insight and tips would be appreciated.

I have traded CL and ES for long time with variable success, but recently looked at ZB charts and thought that ZB charts are more stable, more predictable and have less whipsaws compared with ES. I would appreciate any advice and tips on how to trade ZB. Thanks.

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I trade bonds. Currently trading UB. Your assessment is correct. They are more predictable in the sense if they are moving in a direction there will not be a lot of whipsaw which will knock you out of a trade. They respect support and resistance and trend lines. They are slow too. Today there was a 5 tick move which took several hours to complete. Generally a large target would be 6 to 10 ticks. My targets are 1 to 3 ticks. Keep in mind the tick value is 31.25 so position size and risk management are important.

Below is a 3 hour chart. Take a look at the last bar. It broke one resistance went to another resistance then pulled back.

Edit: IMO ZB is more stable than UB.
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ZB inverse correlation to ES

While I do not trade the ZB I use it for ES trend confirmation. Given the two instruments are often negatively correlated, I look for the ZB on the 5 minute to break S/R, then to the ES for entry on increasing Delta.

Today is an excellent case in point right at 15:10 this afternoon. The buy programs cut loose and the ZB tanked while the ES soared.

I am often too impatient to wait for these setups but they happen around twice a day.

I would stay with the ES and use the ZB for ES trend confirmation.

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CoTrader, That is excellent. I started looking at ZB only recently. The only is there negative co-relation, but often the move in ZB is preceeded before the move in ES occurs.

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While I do not trade the ZB I use it for ES trend confirmation. Given the two instruments are often negatively correlated, I look for the ZB on the 5 minute to break S/R, then to the ES for entry on increasing Delta.

Today is an excellent case in point right at 15:10 this afternoon. The buy programs cut loose and the ZB tanked while the ES soared.

I am often too impatient to wait for these setups but they happen around twice a day.

I would stay with the ES and use the ZB for ES trend confirmation.

COTtrader "Ken"

I saw you post on the setup you work with to trade ES.
i was surprised your charts were on ninjatrader...and yet had the cdelta on yr chart.
for the life of me, i could not find cdelta that i could import and use on my charts on ninja.
can you be kind enuf to sent me the details of the indicators you use to trade the ES & ZB, and where can i avail the cdelta for ninja.
in other words, can you help me set up my charts identical to yours pls.
look forward to yr assistance and advice.
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I saw you post on the setup you work with to trade ES.
i was surprised your charts were on ninjatrader...and yet had the cdelta on yr chart.
for the life of me, i could not find cdelta that i could import and use on my charts on ninja.
can you be kind enuf to sent me the details of the indicators you use to trade the ES & ZB, and where can i avail the cdelta for ninja.
in other words, can you help me set up my charts identical to yours pls.
look forward to yr assistance and advice.
regards
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I also love trading the ZB, as others have mentioned it's not prone to whipsaws and hard/fast reversals, and also slippage is usually very minimal, and often zero. It's basically the opposite of CL in pretty much every way. Oh, and even the fees are cheaper with my broker.

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ZB trading

Ive been watching it. The daily looks bullish to 133-135, then im considering shorting it.

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ZB price is responding well to Fibonacci retracements, and market profile high/low value areas. Especially after the initial balance was created.

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