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" I will follow my rules, I will take my stops, I will be disciplined and i will work with the market....NOT AGAINST IT! Professional mind control is the key"
Can you help answer these questions from other members on NexusFi?
Ok, maybe I'm overthinking this but, I've always thought the same (poor high/low w/ no excess should be tested and possibly broken). After reading the last few posts I might be confusing myself.
PB, are you suggesting that the poor high should hold or be broken?
Before you attempt to beat the odds, make sure you can survive the odds beating you.
Broker: Advantage, Trading Technologies, OptionsCity, IQ Feed
Trading: CL, NG
Posts: 1,038 since Jul 2010
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I sure hope so. I just took a long from the DVAL. Sometimes poor highs or lows can signify a key reversal however, I don't see anything resistance wise quite yet. My earlier short bias was based on yesterday's extremes. Now that the market made an attempt to move lower and pop back up into the IB its becoming clear that the market has not established enough excess at today's high.
Broker: Advantage, Trading Technologies, OptionsCity, IQ Feed
Trading: CL, NG
Posts: 1,038 since Jul 2010
Thanks Given: 1,713
Thanks Received: 3,863
Alright, we cleaned up the poor high on this move. I was targeting the first upper IB extension as a final exit into the close. I got filled on that final amount which is great right after the close. I don't normally hold anything after the close but based on the price action, it appeared that we would get there. That was from one extreme to the other.
Anyway, here is what I was looking at as that move was setting up. Like I said, we made an attempt to expand lower into yesterday's profile. We initially found support at the ON low and 1st IB extension. We got a TPO bracket that closed outside of the IB on the second attempt lower with the next bracket coming right back in to balance. That's a cover signal typically on a rotational day like today. With that being observed, I noted that the market established excess to the downside so I just waited for price to come back down into support at the DVAL, waited for delta/buying absorption and got long with the intent of "cleaning up" the poor high we had on the day.
Pretty lack luster day today. We may be reaching the upper spectrum of this move. I'm still looking for the market to fill the large gap above now that we've made it this far up. We continue to one time frame higher on the weekly chart which makes me think the chances are pretty good to get there. Like anything of course, we'll just have to wait and see.
Don't get me wrong, I am wasn't saying your were wrong, I just wanted to understand why you took the long when you did when I think we didn't have enough information to go long, in my opinion, of course. I am learning too. You don't have to explain every detail, was just curious of your thinking at the time of the trade. Also, would you take a trade based on a bounce on VWAP bands (with no confluence)?
This is not EASY. Using market profile isn't easy at all. Why do you think most retail traders don't use market profile? I think it's because they have to put it the work to learn it before they can trade it efficiently, and most of us don't want to put in the time. And for this reason, most of us retail traders think using market profile is just trading the VAH/VAL/POC because those are easy. They use market profile tool as an indicator just like a MACD, MA, etc, where they look for signals when a,b,c happens. I am sure we all know that it's not that simple.
It amazes me to see most of us retail traders aspiring to be PROFESSIONAL traders (be it trading for yourself or a prop firm), yet we are not patient enough to LEARN the ART (SKILL) of trading. Again, for you to be a professional in this, there is a learning curve if you do it right. And it's not easy. But most of us rush into it, move from one indicator to the next, searching for the easy way out. The ones (tools) that work, take time to learn and use proficiently. Again just like a PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, basketball, football, soccer, cricket, etc, it takes them more than 6 months, a year, two years, etc to be a professional and successful at their art. Trading is no different, yet most of us think we can do this within a month or so.
Sorry for the long message, I had to vent
I am always learning something new everyday. Again, thank you to all for contributing to my learning process. Y'all are always appreciated for your time.
if anything explaining to you in detail help me to understand to
I was a little annoyed with myself, because i had the right ideas. But for some reason i went against what i knew and formed a upside bias
Think everyone is learning here......apart from one exception who continues to lead the pack
Good stuff today, i got churned up abit but came out light
I took the end of day move, i didn’t get in were PB did
I knew were going to try spike up into the close so i waited for the FOMC to be released
we got a pull back into value and most important tested vwap were i got long and held into the close
Good end to the day......
More fun to come tomorrow
" I will follow my rules, I will take my stops, I will be disciplined and i will work with the market....NOT AGAINST IT! Professional mind control is the key"
your right. Most people are just not cut out for this type of work
They wanted money handed to them on a silver platter and thats what draw them to this business
fault prospects
I have always been challenging life and i love trading because most things i do i get board of because there not challenging enough and i just catch on quickly
Even though it has bought me 5 years of frustration and misery and ALOT of cash
im 24 years old and i have dedicated 4-5 years of my life now to this business
While my friends go out evey week end i stay in and study and put the work in
From an uneducated back ground i have spent thousands of my heard earnt cash and time for wak**r to basically con me
Only since i have been studying Market profile etc has my frustration in trading stopped becuase the markets are now logical and not so random
I now have a structured understanding and this has literally slowed the markets down for me
any ways
as a wise man said to me
always move forwards not side ways
" I will follow my rules, I will take my stops, I will be disciplined and i will work with the market....NOT AGAINST IT! Professional mind control is the key"
Small analysis based on pivots, noise bands and volatility targets.
The market for CL is overbought as measured against weekly and monthly levels. CL opened higher than the monthly pivot R2, which is rare. Yesterday'S move was stopped by the weekly pivot R2. This means extremely thin air.
If I look at today's pivot range it is pretty wide. A wide pivot range shows that yesterday's settlement price was close to the high. After an upday in thin air, you would not expect a continuation move, but typically a retest of yesterday's value followed by a balancing day.
If I look at my chart
-> CL stayed within in the noise bands during the night session (insignificant price action)
-> CL then tested yesterday's high
-> CL then tested yesterday's value by moving back into the pivot range
-> today's move from the open was 92 ticks, slightly less than the average of 110 ticks, not unexpected for a consolidation day
-> the weekly move from the open was 220 ticks, between the 4-weekly and 8-weekly average
After an upmove the testing of the value area is an obligation, particularly if the air is thin. The range of a consolidation day is typically below average, which was the case.
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