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Is this fo real? NT7 with CQG data?

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I don't see CQG as an option in NT7x.2.

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Is this fo real? NT7 with CQG data?

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I don't see CQG as an option in NT7x.2.

just add it as a new connection

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Hmmm. Maybe it is because I'm not paying for Ninja? Has CQG always been available as a data feed/broker connection? I've always seen the .dll but never heard of anyone connecting Ninja to CQG...


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Hmmm. Maybe it is because I'm not paying for Ninja? Has CQG always been available as a data feed/broker connection? I've always seen the .dll but never heard of anyone connecting Ninja to CQG...

no, mine says sim license only, you have every connection I have except CGQ.
ps. asking amp for accessing right now, will let you know.

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You can find all info and register for demo Ninja Trader with CQG at AMP Clearing website and go to platforms.
This is a key I got for demo CQG: @AMP-CQG4-D583-40B1-AE74-B79F-705D-7777

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When I try to connect to CQG I get this messages (screenshots)
Anybody here has a working connection with AMP/CQG and Ninja ?

It looks to me like it's not out right now. I mean there is no message in the Ninja support forum from Ray or anybody that CQG is now available with Ninja. The cqg.dll in the ninja system files exists longly. I think since version 7.

Anybody knows more about that ?

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When I try to connect to CQG I get this messages (screenshots)
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About a week ago, we uploaded a quick update to R2 that included a fix for this. You likely have a prior R2 build. If you uninstall, and download R2 again and install it, this issue should go away and you will be able to connect provided your account came from AMP Global clearing.

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Hello,

How many historical minute and tick data planned for this CQG offer ?

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How many historical minute and tick data planned for this CQG offer ?

We are still working on this with CQG but it will likely be several years of data for futures with less for indexes such as TICK/TRIN etc.

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Right now there is no historical data at all ? I'm connected to CQG and cannot get any.

Thx

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Right now there is no historical data at all ? I'm connected to CQG and cannot get any.

Thx

I get it, the tick seems limited to 3 days, the minute long term back, but there are also symbols limitations, i think maybe due to the demo, for example i get CL data but it doesn't update in real time.

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Right.. (something was not working in the firt place) I even get about 6 months of tick data which is a good spanning time.

Will CQG be offered by other brokers than AMP Futures ?

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Right.. (something was not working in the firt place) I even get about 6 months of tick data which is a good spanning time.

Will CQG be offered by other brokers than AMP Futures ?

This is a deal pretty much exclusive to AMP.

CQG Is a very good solution that we use for our web based and mac based applications for routing and data feed.
Assuming I did have access to CQG, I still not replace Rithmic as my main sources for major apps like Ninja.
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I get it, the tick seems limited to 3 days, the minute long term back, but there are also symbols limitations, i think maybe due to the demo, for example i get CL data but it doesn't update in real time.

I believe the demo accounts are limited to a specific set of instruments, I am not sure what those limitations are at this time.

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Will CQG be offered by other brokers than AMP Futures ?

NinjaTrader worked closely with CQG in developing from the ground up an API that communicates directly to their network. This is different than other applications that integrated to the CQG Integrated Client application. This offering is exclusive to AMP Global Clearing (FCM) and made available to their IB, AMP Futures. I suspect that other IB's will start offering this but you would need to check with AMP Global Clearing.

Also, NinjaTrader/CQG offers the free live trading NinjaTrader Direct Edition.

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it's here;

Steps to convert current Live accounts to CQG


Steps to convert current Live accounts to CQG
I. Convert NinjaTrader Live Key: NinjaTrader License Key Conversion For CQG

II. Convert to CQG username/password: AMP GLobal Clearing - Conversion Form

* Once received by the trade desk, they will process the conversion and an email will be sent with
the new CQG user name and password.

III. Convert/Adjust your current live connection in NinjaTrader to CQG.

In order to set this up you will need your new CQG user ID and password.

1) Start NinjaTrader

2) From within the Control Center window, select Tools-->Account Connections...

3) In the Account Connection Set Up window, press Add...

4) Click on Next, name the connection AMP Live and select CQG as the Provider

5) Backup data feed connection: "<None>"

6) Select "Enabled" for historical data

7) Enter the user name/password check "include Index Data"

8) Complete the wizard

9) From the Control Panel, select File->Connect->AMP Live and give it a few seconds to connect. You will see a green box in the lower left corner of the control panel that says "Connected - CQG."


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NinjaTrader worked closely with CQG in developing from the ground up an API that communicates directly to their network. This is different than other applications that integrated to the CQG Integrated Client application. This offering is exclusive to AMP Global Clearing (FCM) and made available to their IB, AMP Futures. I suspect that other IB's will start offering this but you would need to check with AMP Global Clearing.

Also, NinjaTrader/CQG offers the free live trading NinjaTrader Direct Edition.

Does this in any way mean NT7 will be building (adding) the capability to access up to 30 days of BID/ASK historical data from a CQG feed connection (for use in properly tracking Cumulative Delta through all the tools built by Gomi and others)?

If you are going to have a great feed like CQG connected for charting and order routing, it would be sad if there was no ability to access historical BID/ASK data (like the 30 days of historical BID/ASK data which is available from DTN.IQ).

Thanks in advance for any info!

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BTW, this would be a MAJOR breakthrough for NT7 if you guys step up to the plate and gets this feed connection done right (CQG connected to NT7 with simplistic proper access to historical BID/ASK data).

I just wanted to make sure I stated the obvious here!

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BTW, this would be a MAJOR breakthrough for NT7 if you guys step up to the plate and gets this feed connection done right (CQG connected to NT7 with simplistic proper access to historical BID/ASK data).

I just wanted to make sure I stated the obvious here!

The NinjaTrader/CQG integration project centered on connectivity to the CQG Global network for order routing and real time futures and index data. For reasons I cant disclose it was decided that NinjaTrader would supply the historical data server technology. Our servers are co-located at CQGs Chicagos data center and provides tick, minute and daily bars for last, bid and ask.

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Ok I admit I hate change and have been very happy with AMP and my Zen-Fire feed, but my AMP broker called me and told me that CQG is way better and I should switch. Is it really or will AMP just get more kick backs. I don't care I just want the better feed. Anyone switch yet? I'd love to keep reading about more experiences with it. Thanks.

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Ok I admit I hate change and have been very happy with AMP and my Zen-Fire feed, but my AMP broker called me and told me that CQG is way better and I should switch. Is it really or will AMP just get more kick backs. I don't care I just want the better feed. Anyone switch yet? I'd love to keep reading about more experiences with it. Thanks.

trying, new ID and password for CQG invalid, email to ninja support since morning, no reply.

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trying, new ID and password for CQG invalid, email to ninja support since morning, no reply.

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Our support queue is completely caught up and tickets do not fall between the cracks. Can you private message me with your ticket ID so I can look it up. If you did not receive an autoresponse this morning, then likely our replies may have hit some spam filter? In any case, I will make sure you are taken care of.

With respect to ID/Password, that does not come from NinjaTrader. You will have to follow up with your broker at AMP directly.

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Our support queue is completely caught up and tickets do not fall between the cracks. Can you private message me with your ticket ID so I can look it up. If you did not receive an autoresponse this morning, then likely our replies may have hit some spam filter? In any case, I will make sure you are taken care of.

With respect to ID/Password, that does not come from NinjaTrader. You will have to follow up with your broker at AMP directly.

the email with my new use and password is from CQGTrader@cqg.com it said contact ninja support so that is what i did.
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the email with my new use and password is from CQGTrader@cqg.com it said contact ninja support so that is what i did.
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Thank you. Please contact your broker at AMP to get squared away. Somehow, some automated process between CQG/AMP sent this email which contains inaccurate information. I have already forwarded this to the appropriate people for resolution.

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One of the things they don't tell you is that you only get the dynamic superdom, not the static which everyone uses.

Just wanted to let you all know.

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One of the things they don't tell you is that you only get the dynamic superdom, not the static which everyone uses.

Just wanted to let you all know.

Is static an option?

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I don't know. I no longer pay for ninja. When i went to switch, i noticed that it said you only get dynamic, and you shouldn't fill out the form if you don't want that. I don't think static is even an option for paying subscribers.

Unless someone that pays for it and gets static, i don't think so.

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@Ray to clarify:

With an account with AMP we get realtime data from CQG but no historical data from them ?
The historical data are the recorded ZenFire data fom your servers, right ?

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@Ray to clarify:

With an account with AMP we get realtime data from CQG but no historical data from them ?
The historical data are the recorded ZenFire data fom your servers, right ?

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That is incorrect.

Real time data comes from CQG
Historical data comes from NinjaTrader servers colocated CQG Chicago data center recorded from CQG real time data.

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Thanks, Ray.

Now the things are clearer. I just coudn't believe that a firm like CQG gives their historical market data, which are the industry's most accurate, away for free. No, they don't be stupid enough and of course they don't do it.

So in the end the recorded CQG realtime data will have the same errors like the recorded ZenFire data like
incorrect timestamps, data gaps etc...

I think AMP should stop advertising with sentences like this at their website:

"Decades of the industry's most accurate historical data are available for traders to use."
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I believe you have it backward Warren. Your live data can have inconsistencies but the recorded data is actually more accurate.

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Hi eDanny,

why should the recorded data be more accurate than the historical data from a "real" data feed like ESig or DTN ?

You only get correct charts when your ticks have the correct timestamps. This is (mostly) not given with those recorded data.

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If memory serves, the in-depth comparison of data feeds here showed that lately eSignal data is, how do you say, not great.



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I was comparing to Zenfire like you did. You will get inconsistencies in data received by your platform in real time due to your internet connection, etc. The ticks may even be out of order at times. The recorded data does not normally have these problems. That is why if you reload historical data your indicators may change their plots because you are backfilling with accurate data. There seems to be no way around it unfortunately.

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Actually, static is NOT an option. I verified it with AMP, and they said it doesn't matter if you paid for it or not, you do NOT get the static DOM. Please recheck before your post.

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only when FulcrumTrader things to know how Esignals server structure works, I wouldn't go this far to say that Esig is a bad datafeed. I have compared the time&sales and endless tick charts of ESig and DTN and there is absolute no difference. When you use MarketDelta with ESig and with DTN you will also see no difference. Please stop talking that DTN is the only good datafeed. This is not true.

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Actually, static is NOT an option. I verified it with AMP, and they said it doesn't matter if you paid for it or not, you do NOT get the static DOM. Please recheck before your post.

The policy I have with AMP is that the static SuperDOM is available upon request by the customer through the broker. I just confirmed with AMP that this is the case however, they are not ready to offer it yet and told me to post that you should check back with your broker in the near future.

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Ok, so essentially your saying that you can't have it yet, but you should in the future. Is there an ETA on that?

The broker at amp told me that they talked to the president at ninja, and they decided not to go the static route since they don't want to pay royalties( like TT does with credits)....

So who is right here then?
Is my broker lying to me?
Only AMP offers this, so can you check again to make sure this is correct.

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Actually, static is NOT an option. I verified it with AMP, and they said it doesn't matter if you paid for it or not, you do NOT get the static DOM. Please recheck before your post.


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Ok, so essentially your saying that you can't have it yet, but you should in the future. Is there an ETA on that?

The broker at amp told me that they talked to the president at ninja, and they decided not to go the static route since they don't want to pay royalties( like TT does with credits)....

So who is right here then?
Is my broker lying to me?
Only AMP offers this, so can you check again to make sure this is correct.

I am the president of NinjaTrader and I spoke with the president of AMP. My previous reply is accurate. The broker was just not informed.

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Very well. Since you're the president, can you please give some more clarifications.
Do you have an approximate date as to when we can get static dom?
Are there any requirements? Do we need to have a lifetime license? Will direct version work( no ATM strategies)?
Do we need to purchase credits like TT?

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Does this in any way mean NT7 will be building (adding) the capability to access up to 30 days of BID/ASK historical data from a CQG feed connection (for use in properly tracking Cumulative Delta through all the tools built by Gomi and others)?

If you are going to have a great feed like CQG connected for charting and order routing, it would be sad if there was no ability to access historical BID/ASK data (like the 30 days of historical BID/ASK data which is available from DTN.IQ).

Thanks in advance for any info!

I'd like to know this too. In fact whilst the stuff built by Gomi is a fantastic work around I really would like to know when Ninja will support more granular time stamping within it's own database and will maintain bid ask and last in the correct sequence for historical data?

Lots of people want delta that is simple, robust and integrated into the core package.

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You guys, give it a rest. There's no historical bid/ask backfill. Every time you ask, he says its not on their plan to offer such a thing. If you need bid/ask, then you need to use something else.

This has been the case for the past 4 years.

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You guys, give it a rest. There's no historical bid/ask backfill. Every time you ask, he says its not on their plan to offer such a thing. If you need bid/ask, then you need to use something else.

This has been the case for the past 4 years.

That is simply untrue.

It was originally a planned feature for version 7, then somehow it fell between the cracks. That was about a year ago that Raymond informed us it would not make it for 7.0 but it would be sometime after. Unless there has been an update since then, that is the current state of affairs.

This was one of the statements that Raymond made a year ago, I remember it particularly as I was quite active trying to get it considered for 7.0

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Im fully aware of that. But the last 3 webinars that they did, they kept saying its not planned. And that was more recent than that post. Im not trying to argue with you, just letting you know not to get your hopes up. Even if it is planned, won't be available for some time.

The CQG data is available right now, thats why im asking to see if he can give some clarifications.

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Actually, static is NOT an option. I verified it with AMP, and they said it doesn't matter if you paid for it or not, you do NOT get the static DOM. Please recheck before your post.

is this for only this package with cqg or with all Amp packages ?

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Im fully aware of that. But the last 3 webinars that they did, they kept saying its not planned. And that was more recent than that post. Im not trying to argue with you, just letting you know not to get your hopes up. Even if it is planned, won't be available for some time.

The CQG data is available right now, thats why im asking to see if he can give some clarifications.

Ahh OK thanks.

I don't really go to the Webinars (mainly because until they can handle data with precision it is simply unsuitable for a whole range of tasks (as you say). In that case they should really make an official statement that it is no longer being considered.

Still at least there are now viable alternatives to things like IRT and Neoticker. It's not hard to see why the big interest in Sierra and MC v7 all of a sudden.

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Very well. Since you're the president, can you please give some more clarifications.
Do you have an approximate date as to when we can get static dom?
Are there any requirements? Do we need to have a lifetime license? Will direct version work( no ATM strategies)?
Do we need to purchase credits like TT?

I can absolutely provide more clarification.

- Aproximate date will be tomorrow or Monday at the latest when you can call your broker and request use of the Static SuperDOM for CQG through AMP
- There are no licensing requirements (applied to any NinjaTrader version)
- You will not need to purchase credits although there is a $0.20 per RT fee that is collected by AMP and passed through from them to us to TT

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I'd like to know this too. In fact whilst the stuff built by Gomi is a fantastic work around I really would like to know when Ninja will support more granular time stamping within it's own database and will maintain bid ask and last in the correct sequence for historical data?

Lots of people want delta that is simple, robust and integrated into the core package.

This requirement is not lost on us and is on our radar screen. We have not had time to circle back to discuss this internally due to other priorities involving our upcoming 7.0.1000.3 Beta release. Once I have a clearer picture in this area I will be sure to provide additional update.

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This requirement is not lost on us and is on our radar screen. We have not had time to circle back to discuss this internally due to other priorities involving our upcoming 7.0.1000.3 Beta release. Once I have a clearer picture in this area I will be sure to provide additional update.

Sure. 7.0 is only recently out of the door after all. I had never really thought it would be here much before "7.5".

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Is it possible to put this announcement on your own ninja forums, so that when my broker says otherwise, i can send him a link from your own website.

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I can absolutely provide more clarification.

- Aproximate date will be tomorrow or Monday at the latest when you can call your broker and request use of the Static SuperDOM for CQG through AMP
- There are no licensing requirements (applied to any NinjaTrader version)
- You will not need to purchase credits although there is a $0.20 per RT fee that is collected by AMP and passed through from them to us to TT


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Ya'll bear with me... I'm old and slow...

I have read the entire thread and what I would like to know is, what exactly is the significance of what ya'll are discussing? Aren't you just talking about a different data feed? Granted many consider it a premier data feed.

If I am a discretionary day trader (not a scalper) only trading TF,6E and CL manually on NT v7 with Zenfire is this a really important thing I need to look into, or is it just another option I could use if desired?

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Thank you ray....

I hate going back and forth. Ill contact Amp in about a week to give them some more time, and ill refer to your post.

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Thank you ray....

I hate going back and forth. Ill contact Amp in about a week to give them some more time, and ill refer to your post.

I just received an email from my Amp Broker (Dan Culp) and he said the Static Dom was available.
He also said the commissions using CQG was less than using Zenfire.

I assume there will be a surcharge for the Static Dom.
I currently pay a small fee when using IB because of the licensing agreement with TT.

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Hi Cory....you seem to be all over the CQG data feed so I thought I'd direct this question to you


According to AMP (https://www.ampclearing.com/cqg_indexes.html) we should be able to access a whole list of index instruments in NinjaTrader through CQG. Only problem is I can't get any data for any of them and in the case of TICKDJ I get an error message saying that Ninja data server does not support the instrument. Is there some mysterious setup required before we can access these symbols in NT and CQG? I've looked around on AMP and CQG and NinjaTrader and so far have come up empty.

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Just want to give you guys a heads up and let you know that even transact/infinity is planning to give live index data such as tick/trin ad line.... etc

they haven't rolled out with it yet, but are planning to offer it soon.

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That is incorrect.

Real time data comes from CQG
Historical data comes from NinjaTrader servers colocated CQG Chicago data center recorded from CQG real time data.

Could you clarify Ray... Do Ninja maintain separate history servers for CQG and for Zen. Will we get the appropriate history depending on who we use live?


A small aside....

Whats the difference between "worked closely with CQG in developing from the ground up an API that communicates directly to their network." (without an API layer) and Kinetic where "We write directly to the market data servers " (with an API) I am not trying to be a smart arse or anything just kind of interested if there is any practical difference? Is the API in the first instance exposed to users?

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Hi Cory....you seem to be all over the CQG data feed so I thought I'd direct this question to you


According to AMP ( CQG Trader) we should be able to access a whole list of index instruments in NinjaTrader through CQG. Only problem is I can't get any data for any of them and in the case of TICKDJ I get an error message saying that Ninja data server does not support the instrument. Is there some mysterious setup required before we can access these symbols in NT and CQG? I've looked around on AMP and CQG and NinjaTrader and so far have come up empty.

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ask amp to activate access CQG data. I dont see tickdj either ask amp about that too.

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Could you clarify Ray... Do Ninja maintain separate history servers for CQG and for Zen. Will we get the appropriate history depending on who we use live?


A small aside....

Whats the difference between "worked closely with CQG in developing from the ground up an API that communicates directly to their network." (without an API layer) and Kinetic where "We write directly to the market data servers " (with an API) I am not trying to be a smart arse or anything just kind of interested if there is any practical difference? Is the API in the first instance exposed to users?

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No problem, be happy to clarify your questions.

Yes, we maintain separate history servers. With respect to the difference between CQG and Kinetick.... With Kinetick, Telvent DTN opened up their server protocol to allow us to communicate directly to their server bypassing their generic IQFeed Client API that all other vendors must use. The result is a more efficient interface optimized for NinjaTrader. With CQG, we collaborated with them on an optimal design for an API for NinjaTrader. As a result, they developed a new API specifically for use with our platform.

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No problem, be happy to clarify your questions.

Yes, we maintain separate history servers. With respect to the difference between CQG and Kinetick.... With Kinetick, Telvent DTN opened up their server protocol to allow us to communicate directly to their server bypassing their generic IQFeed Client API that all other vendors must use. The result is a more efficient interface optimized for NinjaTrader. With CQG, we collaborated with them on an optimal design for an API for NinjaTrader. As a result, they developed a new API specifically for use with our platform.

Thank You. Figured it was something along those lines.

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Just want to give you guys a heads up and let you know that even transact/infinity is planning to give live index data such as tick/trin ad line.... etc

they haven't rolled out with it yet, but are planning to offer it soon.

Does this pertain to Amp, CQG or Ninjatrader? It's great news and good to know - maybe this info deserves it's own thread.

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Hi Cory....you seem to be all over the CQG data feed so I thought I'd direct this question to you


According to AMP ( CQG Trader) we should be able to access a whole list of index instruments in NinjaTrader through CQG. Only problem is I can't get any data for any of them and in the case of TICKDJ I get an error message saying that Ninja data server does not support the instrument. Is there some mysterious setup required before we can access these symbols in NT and CQG? I've looked around on AMP and CQG and NinjaTrader and so far have come up empty.

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I have read the entire thread and what I would like to know is, what exactly is the significance of what ya'll are discussing? Aren't you just talking about a different data feed? Granted many consider it a premier data feed.

It's like getting to make out with the girl who was always just out of reach in high school at the 10 year reunion. You don't get to sleep with her, she isn't going to kiss any different than other girls but that is not the point really.
In a more pragmatic sense it is some nice heat from above to put some downward pressure on the competition to offer more for less.

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It's like getting to make out with the girl who was always just out of reach in high school at the 10 year reunion. You don't get to sleep with her, she isn't going to kiss any different than other girls but that is not the point really.
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I switch to CQG as well and tried to get ticks but it would not load. Does it need to be live or will it back fill?

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Do you use the default symbols in ninja to setup those index data such as ad line, tick , trin, tickq...
Or do you have to setup it up manually like kinetick and iq feed?

Is there a website with documentation?

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Do you use the default symbols in ninja to setup those index data such as ad line, tick , trin, tickq...
Or do you have to setup it up manually like kinetick and iq feed?

Is there a website with documentation?

When you set up the CQG feed there is the check box to include indexes. Once the feed is all set up they should appear just like any symbol in the instrument manager. They did for me.

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I switch to CQG as well and tried to get ticks but it would not load. Does it need to be live or will it back fill?

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When you set up the CQG feed there is the check box to include indexes. Once the feed is all set up they should appear just like any symbol in the instrument manager. They did for me.

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- Index data I believe is only available on a live account (not demo account)
- Historical index data is expected to be available next week sometime

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Do you use the default symbols in ninja to setup those index data such as ad line, tick , trin, tickq...
Or do you have to setup it up manually like kinetick and iq feed?

Is there a website with documentation?

list of available symbols here
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you add them one by one just like you add ES, CL etc...

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When you set up the CQG feed there is the check box to include indexes. Once the feed is all set up they should appear just like any symbol in the instrument manager. They did for me.

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didnt show up for me I had to add them one by one i didn't add TRIN so no TRIN on my instrument panel.

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Are we connected to CQG historical data already ? or something else ?

Let me explain, I'm used to download data from Ninja servers using the historical data option only available to the multi-broker licence (which is not available to single broker licence)
After analysing my internet traffic it is known that the Ninja servers data comes from www.7ticks.com

After collecting so-called "CQG" data, I retrieve the exact same data errors than on the Ninja servers/7ticks source.

For example of these errors, you can check those symbols all from Eurex exchange : FDAX, FESX, FGBL, FGBM, FGBS
On daily charts during march of 2010 they all have 4 days with Open and Low values of 0 ! (which I had to manually correct)





Are the data sources really different ? It would be really bad luck to get same data errors on both...

It seems a bit awkward to me than CQG, with its worldwide reputation, would let such gross data errors for everyone to see.

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I compared the data from CQG using ninja to DTN, and they did not match perfectly, yet it was very close. It was a live account. The differences where not huge, but DTN reported more tick data than CQG.

Ill compare again on monday for you guys. I realised that on one computer I had the newer version of ninja, and the other i didn't. That could be a possible reason. Regardless, the differences were negligible to me, so i think its sufficient. As long as "it works", i might switch. This is a new connection and API, so i think its safer to wait for others to be beta testers on this.

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Ray, i want to just tell you that im glad you guys addressed the issue i was having. I talk to Brett personally, and we are working together to fix it. We normally had a difference of opinion, specially when it came to customer service, but i just want to say that you guys really came through this time and i wanted to make that public here on this forum.

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I compared the data from CQG using ninja to DTN, and they did not match perfectly, yet it was very close. It was a live account. The differences where not huge, but DTN reported more tick data than CQG.

Ill compare again on monday for you guys. I realised that on one computer I had the newer version of ninja, and the other i didn't. That could be a possible reason. Regardless, the differences were negligible to me, so i think its sufficient. As long as "it works", i might switch. This is a new connection and API, so i think its safer to wait for others to be beta testers on this.

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I second TMFT, I don't exactly understand the signficance of all this.

What I get so far: we're getting order routing with backfill from NinjaTrader servers on CQG real time data. What we're not getting is the full consolidated CQG data feed which is so highly regarded by professionals.

Also, given CQG's connectivity throughout the world, is this going to open the door to trading more markets, such as the "hard to reach" Kospi 200 futures or the Hang Seng Futures? Is AMP going to offer that, or just the same old markets offered by other order routing solutions?

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Thanks, Ray.

Now the things are clearer. I just coudn't believe that a firm like CQG gives their historical market data, which are the industry's most accurate, away for free. No, they don't be stupid enough and of course they don't do it.

So in the end the recorded CQG realtime data will have the same errors like the recorded ZenFire data like
incorrect timestamps, data gaps etc...

I think AMP should stop advertising with sentences like this at their website:

"Decades of the industry's most accurate historical data are available for traders to use."
NinjaTrader with CQG data demo - AMP Clearing

Now that additional details have been presented, I will admit I am not all that excited about how the historical BID/ASK datafeed access has been developed here. A true actual link to the CQG maintained historical data is what I was hoping for in this new offering. Only time and additional end user testing will tell how reliable this new arrangement will compare to DTN connected to NT7 with Gomi tools. I remain confused why the simple ability to connect to up to 30 days of clean BID/ASK data can't get handle in NT7 like we have in Inv RT Pro connected to DTN.IQ feed (and soon to be released in MC 7.....NY Trade Expo just around the corner).

So far we have the plane at least rolling down the runway but still no takeoff.

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In addition...

- Index data I believe is only available on a live account (not demo account)
- Historical index data is expected to be available next week sometime

Hi,
could you fix this? looks like symbols get mapped to wrong exchanges


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Im getting the same errors with a live account.
Also, it doesn't seem like CQG offers continuous contracts.

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list of available symbols here
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you add them one by one just like you add ES, CL etc...

Would someone explain to me what those symbols actually are? Is it like different types of data feeds.

I've never changed anything with my Zen feed, so how do I know what I'm getting?

... confused on what this stuff is...

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So it appears it would be wise to stick with Zen at this point?


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Would someone explain to me what those symbols actually are? Is it like different types of data feeds.

I've never changed anything with my Zen feed, so how do I know what I'm getting?

... confused on what this stuff is...

tia

they are market statistic if you dont use them then no need to change.

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I think there's still some things they need to resolve. It just came out the door. Im still not getting the index data. I would wait before switching. I fortunately have more than one broker, and i have market delta. So i'm ok.
I wouldn't suggest you guys switch yet if your trading live on ninja only with CQG. Give it a couple more days.

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Hello all,

I have been trying to set up this connection and still dont have data coming though. I will retry with NT Support this morning and if I learn anything about how to make this easier I will post it. I havent missed any trades sofar but it has been very frustrating. Also watch out regarding FGBL data.... CQG has had some problems with that contract. If I do not get it sorted out today I will go back to Zenfire because missing trades is just not an option.

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Several questions regarding index data so I will attempt to provide generic support for all, if this does not resolve your situation, please send in a request to our support department.

- Index data is only available on live accounts not demo accounts
- You must be on NinjaTrader 7.0.1000.2 or later
- To make sure your instrument symbol maps are correct, please start NinjaTrader select the menu Tools > Options > Data > Reset Instruments
- Restart NinjaTrader to make sure the mapping changes have taken effect
- On your CQG account configuration (Tools > Account Connections) make sure that you have the option "Include index data" enabled
- You will only be able to receive real time data for the index instruments listed on this page - NinjaTrader/CQG Supported Indexes, anything else is not supported at this time
- Historical index data is not yet available as of the date of this post. It is expected to be available the week of February 21st, 2010 (originaly this week but it has been pushed back a week)

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What I get so far: we're getting order routing with backfill from NinjaTrader servers on CQG real time data. What we're not getting is the full consolidated CQG data feed which is so highly regarded by professionals.

Also, given CQG's connectivity throughout the world, is this going to open the door to trading more markets, such as the "hard to reach" Kospi 200 futures or the Hang Seng Futures? Is AMP going to offer that, or just the same old markets offered by other order routing solutions?

What you are getting is -

- Order routing
- Real time data for futures and indexes
- Access to historical from NinjaTrader servers recorded from the CQG real time feed

I am not sure what you mean regarding "consolidated CQG data feed" but if you mean generic market data access to other instrument types such as stocks and forex then correct, you do not get access to this. You will have to go directly to CQG for this which I beleive costs upwards of $600 per month. With respect to access to international markets, CQG for sure provides access to this technically but whether they are provided by AMP is a question best left for them.

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Several questions regarding index data so I will attempt to provide generic support for all, if this does not resolve your situation, please send in a request to our support department.

- Index data is only available on live accounts not demo accounts

my account is live


Quoting 
- You must be on NinjaTrader 7.0.1000.2 or later

I installed the one provided by AMP from yesterday, Sunday email



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- To make sure your instrument symbol maps are correct, please start NinjaTrader select the menu Tools > Options > Data > Reset Instruments
- Restart NinjaTrader to make sure the mapping changes have taken effect

yes, several times, just did it again before I post this


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- On your CQG account configuration (Tools > Account Connections) make sure that you have the option "Include index data" enabled

yes


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- You will only be able to receive data for the index instruments listed on this page - NinjaTrader/CQG Supported Indexes, anything else is not supported at this time

yes, tickdj is on the list.


I still get the same error since Friday.

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Cory,

Do you get real time data for TICKDJ? For sure, the error you posted refers to historical data which is not yet enabled. I will edit my earlier post to include that historical index data is not yet available. However, real time data should work, if not let me know.

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Cory,

Do you get real time data for TICKDJ? For sure, the error you posted refers to historical data which is not yet enabled. I will edit my earlier post to include that historical index data is not yet available. However, real time data should work, if not let me know.


I just open a new tickdj, they kind of working but the hours is strange, the template is set to the instrument

ps. looks like the time is ok now

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Ray, i have done of all of this, and i sitll don't get index data. I call my broker, and he says that it needs to be turned on from their side. I contacted your support team, and they said that its not the case.

Im started to feel like my broker is jerking me around again. I have a live account. Is there really a switch that needs to be turned on from their side?



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Several questions regarding index data so I will attempt to provide generic support for all, if this does not resolve your situation, please send in a request to our support department.

- Index data is only available on live accounts not demo accounts
- You must be on NinjaTrader 7.0.1000.2 or later
- To make sure your instrument symbol maps are correct, please start NinjaTrader select the menu Tools > Options > Data > Reset Instruments
- Restart NinjaTrader to make sure the mapping changes have taken effect
- On your CQG account configuration (Tools > Account Connections) make sure that you have the option "Include index data" enabled
- You will only be able to receive real time data for the index instruments listed on this page - NinjaTrader/CQG Supported Indexes, anything else is not supported at this time
- Historical index data is not yet available as of the date of this post. It is expected to be available the week of February 21st, 2010 (originaly this week but it has been pushed back a week)


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here is my check list from user side.

- live account
- new ninja license for AMP CQG data feed
- new user and password for CQG account and you have to type them in, no cut & paste
- uninstall then install ninja using AMP download link in last Sunday email

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yea i've done all that. But my broker told me that they need to "manually turn it on" on their side. That makes no sense to me, and my patience is wearing thin with this guy. It's already been a week. I even upgraded to beta 3 from ninja, and it still doesn't work.

Thanks for the help anyways.

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yea i've done all that. But my broker told me that they need to "manually turn it on" on their side. That makes no sense to me, and my patience is wearing thin with this guy. It's already been a week. I even upgraded to beta 3 from ninja, and it still doesn't work.

Thanks for the help anyways.

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Thanks. I've contacted him. But still doesn't work.
I generally have a rule. Don't waste your time if its not fixed in more than a week. I treat my brokers/trading platforms with the same mentality on how i trade. Never stay commited because you feel like you have to. If it doesn't work, move on.


Thanks for the help, but I've already dumped CQG/AMP. IQ feed with marketdelta/ninja worked before, so ill stick with them.

Also, when i contacted them, they said that i can fund the account with just $500( thats they're min. funding at amp clearing). Kind of bugged me as to why its so low.

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Thanks. I've contacted him. But still doesn't work.
I generally have a rule. Don't waste your time if its not fixed in more than a week. I treat my brokers/trading platforms with the same mentality on how i trade. Never stay commited because you feel like you have to. If it doesn't work, move on.


Thanks for the help, but I've already dumped CQG/AMP. IQ feed with marketdelta/ninja worked before, so ill stick with them.

Also, when i contacted them, they said that i can fund the account with just $500( thats they're min. funding at amp clearing). Kind of bugged me as to why its so low.

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