Yes. As an account is set up at CQG, they will add entitlements for what market data you are permissioned to received. One of these are indexes. My last understanding (I have not checked on this at this second) was that all live funded accounts will receive the entitlement for indexes however, demo accounts will not.
Assuming your account is a live funded one, PM me your full name and I will follow up with AMP to see what the obstacle is.
that is for the newbies IMO... $500 ... trade one contract, and if it goes against you basically have to fund it again, and again, and again, and again... and I am sure their risk department has things setup to shutoff the account right away if something happens..
it is a great marketing technique to lower the barries of entry and attract lots of undercapitalized traders that are looking to learn and are following the hype..
And then there are those traders, some very well capitalized, who prefer to keep their trading capital closer to home. They appreciate the flexibility given to them by those low margin accounts.
I agree 100%, but those are two different things... no well capitilized trader will open an account with $500, unless to test the FCM and platform functionality... but will certainly take advantage of $500 margins (as i said, two different things) to trade, and keep at the FCM only what is needed to trade ones desired size... and the rest at a bank or an actual broker/dealer.
But if you are new and want to trade sim and you don't want to pay for a data feed and you want to practice on something besides Forex and all of your free trail accounts have dried up... $500 deposit solves the problem and afterward you can close the account and get your $500 back.
I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.
My daddy always said, "Every day above ground is a good day!"
I don't think you can trade with $500. They just want the account funded for you to get the data feed for indexes( meaning they just want money in their account). I could be wrong, but thats what it sounded like. I brought it up because is AMP a new clearing firm, and it seems like they are desperate to get some money in their accounts.
"Yes. As an account is set up at CQG, they will add entitlements for what market data you are permissioned to received. One of these are indexes. My last understanding (I have not checked on this at this second) was that all live funded accounts will receive the entitlement for indexes however, demo accounts will not.
Assuming your account is a live funded one, PM me your full name and I will follow up with AMP to see what the obstacle is.
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Ray, thank you for your help, but i already switched my license key back to zenfire, im not gonna be using amp for alot of different reasons which i don't want to make public.
I just wanted to say thank you, since at first, I thought the root of my problems was neglect on your side, but your development team was the one that actually helped me fix everything. My problem was my broker.
Is it possible to record Live Bid Ask data with NT7 or Would the historical Bid Ask Data will be available for Live account?
As for the Demo,
When I reload indicator the B&A will be gone and it seems historical data does not have B&A.
even I chose to D/L Tick /Bid/Ask from the historical data.
I hope to find positive result from the Demo but it is too short period , only for 5days.
I keep getting requests for people to share their GomRecorder data. A few threads have been started on the subject but not many are following thru it would seem.
I am collecting data from IQFeed via QCollector. All data contains bid/ask and is tick …
I made the switch to CQG with AMP. I have not had any difficulties. The one thing that bugs me is that the Dynamic DOM is only seems to be available with CQG, where Zenfire had the static DOM. I don't really know the differences, but the Dynamic DOM does bounce around a lot more.
I'm not real sure why I made the change. I felt CQG is a known Data provider and i could get $TICK etc. Anyway, no issues so far.
David
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You may have the option of using either a static (original SuperDOM) or dynamic price ladder display SuperDOM depending on your FCM or broker. The difference between these options is how the inside market is displayed in the price ladder display.
Static
The inside market (ask/bid and last price) climb up and down the price ladder in response to a change in market price
The price rows are static (do not change)
Dynamic
The inside market (ask/bid and last price) is fixed in location in the price ladder display
The price rows are dynamic in that each row's price changes in response to a change in market price
I have to agree with David, I went and opened an account with AMP only because of the CQG deal as I wanted to test the differences between IB vs. TT vs. CQG networks and I have not had any issues.. the best thing is as stated, breadth indicators ... so it all comes from one source.
I've got the CQG license set up and the new Name and Password from AMP, but when I follow their instructions and go to the list of providers, there's no CQG in the provider drop down window. I've uninstalled NT7 and reinstalled it several times (using both 1000.2 and 1000.3 beta) and still no CQG. I'm using the following procedure:
III. Convert/Adjust your current live connection in NinjaTrader to CQG.
In order to set this up you will need your new CQG user ID and password.
1) Start NinjaTrader
2) From within the Control Center window, select Tools-->Account Connections...
3) In the Account Connection Set Up window, press Add...
4) Click on Next, name the connection AMP Live and select CQG as the Provider
5) Backup data feed connection: "<None>"
6) Select "Enabled" for historical data
7) Enter the user name/password check "include Index Data"
8) Complete the wizard
9) From the Control Panel, select File->Connect->AMP Live and give it a few seconds to connect. You will see a green box in the lower left corner of the control panel that says "Connected - CQG."
I've contacted AMP and Ninjatrader for help, which they're happy to provide, but AMP wants to have me install an app so they can do a remote connection to view what's going on on my computer. I'd rather not have them get any access to my computer.
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Just a guess, but were you supposed to get a new license key? The license key is likely what controls what account options are available in the drop down.
Once received by the trade desk, they will process the conversion and an email will be sent with
the new CQG user name and password.
*************
I sent them my existing Ninjatrader Live/SIM trade license key and received this message:
*************
Hi,
Your license key has been converted to CQG. Please restart NinjaTrader for it to take effect.
Please let us know if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Lowell Neuenschwander
NinjaTrader Customer Service
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So it appeared to me that Ninjatrader converted my existing key.
I must admit I've found the AMP Trading/Dorman/AMP Clearing/Ninjatrader/Zenfire/CQG relationships a little confusing at times given my prior experience with E-Trade and other discount stock brokers where it was simply signup, fund the account and trade. There's been much to learn. As the AMP..... relationships have changed several times during the past year, it sometimes hasn't been entirely clear which organization should handling my questions.
ask ninja for sim amp cqg key then it will let you see cqg selection. You still need a live account key to receive real time market breadth data, in another word amp only activate this feature for your live key.
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Found the problem. Hate to admit it, but I was trying to enter the key in the File\Utilities\Vendor licensing area instead of the Help/License Key area. My bad. Helps to enter the info in the correct area.
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I expect a data feed to provide accurate to the minute/tick/range as shown. Alot happens in 1-2 minutes and trades are based upon that information. It placed trades on the previous bars more than 1, my faith in the data feed is shaken. It seemed to be a regular occurrence, not the odd here and there slippage I've seen on Zenfire.
I did call Amp and spoke to my broker, Justin, who stated: "What do you want us to do about it?"
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I see you are using the 05-11 contract in your screenshot. This contract has not yet been rolled to (rollover date = 3/21) though. I suspect in your Tools>Options>Data tab you have the merge policy set as “MergeBackAdjusted”. What this setting does is that it will try and use the data from the correct front month for the date range they are active on historical data. Since the 04-11 contract is still the active one, all your historical data is pulled from 04-11, but your real-time data is 05-11. The chart tries to mix the two and the end result is the spikes you see because it is not time to merge to 05-11 yet.
To resolve, please switch the option to “DoNotMerge” and then reopen your chart. Setting it to “DoNotMerge” will allow you to pull purely 05-11 data for your chart historically and in real-time.
I assume we can also address this problem by changing the CL 05-11 rollover date to 3/18/2011. As of now, 12:13 pm central 3/18/2011 the May volume has exceeded the April volume. I will be considering 3/18/2011 as the rollover date for this month.
If you wish to use 3/18 as the rollover date that is not a problem either. Please follow these steps to use 3/18 instead of 3/21.
1. Ensure you have either daily or minute data for both CL 04-11 and CL 05-11 around the rollover date of 3/18. You can check this in the Historical Data Manager
2. If you have this, disconnect from CQG (or any data provider). If not, download some data for both of them. This data will be used to automatically calculate an offset for the rollover
3. Tools>Instrument Manager
4. Search for CL
5. Edit the CL futures instrument and go to the Misc tab
6. Scroll to the bottom to bring up the Contract Months
7. Find 05-11 and change the rollover date to 3/18/2011 instead of 3/21/2011 (leave offset blank)
8. Reconnect to data provider
9. Ensure your Tools>Options>Data has “MergeBackAdjusted” selected
10. Open a CL 05-11 chart. It will be a chart with 3/18 as the rollover now. If you want you can even go back to the Instrument Manager to check the offset being applied to the old 04-11 data.
Thanks Ray (I assume) for spelling out the steps. I hadn't thought through how the offset was being defined (though I always use MergeNonBackAdj).
While your listening , something that would be very useful in this regard would be for NinjaTrader to document/disclose the rollover rules/algorithms that are being used to define the rollover days for each futures contract. This could just be a document at the NinjaTrader forum. I know we can just look up the date in the instrument manager but it would make my life much easier if I knew when the algorithmically derived rollover date was.
I go through this rollover adjustment every month with CL and NG and every other month with the metals and grains even every third month with the equity indexes. Even the old tried and true "two Thursdays before the third Friday every March,June,Sep,Dec" for the equity indexes is no longer accurate. My volume analysis shows the actual volume rollover is usually the next day (friday).
I have requested these rollover rules/algorithms from NinjaTrader support but as usual it has fallen of deaf ears. Thought I might try one more time here.
I have been using CQG with Ninja this week and noticed a couple of points
1. The "Connected-CQG" notification sometimes goes orange towards the end of the day, although the "Connected-IQFeed" stays green.. Just tried to disconnect and reconnect and I get a red "Connection Lost-CQG" Anyone else noticed this?
2. I can load a ^TICK chart but it is not updating through either CQG or IQ Feed. If i Reload Historical data and it will refresh but is then static.. Any ideas
3. Not sure if this is specific to CQG but if i load any periodicity other than minutes the chart spreads the bars out into equal time periods ie 5 minutes leaving gaps between some of the bars. Any help gratefully received.
Just a guess but it might have something to do with a feature Ninjatrader calls "Equidistant bar spacing". You could go to Chart Properties and try playing with the "Equidistant bar spacing" property. Though my thinking is/was that the Equidistant thing would not have any effect unless you have multiple data series of different lengths applied to the chart. Is it possible you might somehow have a hidden 5 minute data series applied to the chart?
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Well done Sam. Chart>Properties>Equidistant Bar Spacing was set to false, changed it to true and equal spaced range/renko etc charts now work. I hadn't even noticed there was an Equidistant Bar Spacing setting
ZZZTrader, I'm not sure what you are getting at. As far as I know the only thing Ninja/CQG offers that Ninja/Zenfire doesn't are some of the equity based indexes such as Adv, Dec, Tick type stuff. I would say if that is all you use from Kinetick then it probably is worth switching to Ninja/CQG assuming all other things are equal (a big if).
A personal bias, I think paying for data is fundamentally wrong. The exchanges should be encouraging us to do business with them (trade on their exchange). Paying for quote data would be like walking into a Walmart and having to buy a price list.
I'm waiting for one of the CQG/Ninja brokers to start offering Brent ICE before I make the jump to CQG.
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Thanks for you reply Sam. I just wanted to know how reliable the Ninja /CQG and since it seem's to be a new combo dont want to be the dear on head lights.
Well I am still having big connection problems with CQG. The fills are generally excellent when fully connected BUT yesterday I inadvetantly entered a position when the connection was orange (but still connected) and had about 6 ticks slippage on TF. It then spent half an hour flicking back and forth from green connected to orange connected, so I gave up for the rest of the day.
AMP customer support does not seem to want to answer my emails either.
If I can't trust the data feed it makes it totally unusable. For me the connection is far worse than Zenfire ever was. Am I the only one having problems with CQG? I had really high hopes for it too.
Brit
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I think I would pick up the good old fashion telephone and call them when you are having trouble.
I'm assuming your connection is having to cross the pond? You might try doing a trace route to get a better idea of where your packets are going and how long each hop is taking. PingPlotter is pretty good for that.
I would be interested in reviewing the logs/trace files to see if I can learn anything from your experience. If you wish to take me up on my offer, please start NinjaTrader, and send me an email via the menu Help > Mail To Support and include the subject "For RayD from britkid99".
" the Zenfire account will no longer work once you switch to CQG. That if you want to run Zenfire also you either have to sign up for a demo each month or setup a sub account so you could have one account for each connection."
Is this accurate?
I want to keep my Zenfire data feed but would also like to test drive the CQG feed for the Indexes when I am done trading for the day. Basically just switch the feeds. I do have a funded account at AMP.
That is correct, but I would say just stick with Zenfire. I've experienced more than 1 issue w/ CQG. Tried it on a sim acct and on my live acct and both were displeasing experiences, to say the least.
Many thanks to the site and all the contributors. Great source of info.
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I had issues w/ CQG in the begginning and had to switch back to Zen Fire. I went back to CQG about 6 weeks ago and have no complaints as of yet. That will teach me to be a first adopter.
I use Optimus with a rithmic feed. Zenfire feed is based on rithmic so with rithmic your are essentially getting pure feed that does not go through zenfire servers.
I find the combination of Optimus and rithmic to work great.
Matt at Optimus is very helpful and makes himself available to talk. I would suggest calling him if you have questions.
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I am about to fund Optimus and was curious about CQG as it is being hyped...will see how Optimus goes but may wait to Fall to fund as I always do poorly trading 6E in the summer...though this year seems to be more active with the Greek nonsense...
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Hello, i am enjoying cqg integration w/ ninja. what i am missing is international markets. i would like to chart Hang Seng, or Nikkei. CQG offers these exchanges, but i haven't heard back from Amp (actually i've never gotten a reply from TDM - ampclearing.com to anything i've sent), if they can offer those markets (quotes only) directly.
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Guys I am running Mirus ZenFire Ninja demo. I like it but I want to compare to CQG/AMP demo. I am a live customer at AMP. I have logins, keys, but I can't get that CQG provider in the drop down list, no matter how much times I reinstall Ninja from the links provided by AMP to NT website, I only get ZenFire, but not CQG. Anyone has any idea?
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, something that would be very useful in this regard would be for 
