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Hello Futures.io People! :-)

What is the best online method to wire transfer money to https://www.interactivebrokers.com/

Here are a few I found but have not tested.

https://transferwise.com/
https://www.worldremit.com/

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Hello Futures.io People! :-)

What is the best online method to wire transfer money to https://www.interactivebrokers.com/

Here are a few I found but have not tested.

https://transferwise.com/
https://www.worldremit.com/

You really need to contact IB for a question like this. Suppose someone gives you their answer, and it's wrong? IB will be able to tell you how to wire them and the wire instructions, and really only them. They are the ones who have to receive the money, after all, and it has to be the way they are prepared to receive it.

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Thanks Bob -

I was just curious if people had used any of the services to wire instead of a bank.

I just went ahead with a bank, like I always do.

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You really need to contact IB for a question like this. Suppose someone gives you their answer, and it's wrong? IB will be able to tell you how to wire them and the wire instructions, and really only them. They are the ones who have to receive the money, after all, and it has to be the way they are prepared to receive it.

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Thanks Bob -

I was just curious if people had used any of the services to wire instead of a bank.

I just went ahead with a bank, like I always do.

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Living in EU I've been using transferwise (US account) several times as well as SEPA and local currency (Czech Crowns) wire transfers to IB UK and did not experience any issue.

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Great thanks for the feedback!!!

Recently made the mistake of using my wifes bank and the money was sent back. Might go with Transferwise soon.....

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Living in EU I've been using transferwise (US account) several times as well as SEPA and local currency (Czech Crowns) wire transfers to IB UK and did not experience any issue.

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Oh yeah, that's anti money laundering law dictating that both accounts ( IB and banking) owner name must equal.
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Great thanks for the feedback!!!

Recently made the mistake of using my wifes bank and the money was sent back. Might go with Transferwise soon.....

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As previously stated, anyone should check with their particular broker for suitable methods. Transferwise is not universally acceptable as I have seen some brokers (eg. Phillip Capital) specifically say it is not.

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Living in EU I've been using transferwise (US account) several times as well as SEPA and local currency (Czech Crowns) wire transfers to IB UK and did not experience any issue.

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Curious how you do that as Transferwise website says "You canít send USD to brokerages or intermediary banks...only checking & savings accounts"
Transferwise do not support "for further credit to ..." instructions either

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Curious how you do that as Transferwise website says "You canít send USD to brokerages or intermediary banks...only checking & savings accounts"
Transferwise do not support "for further credit to ..." instructions either

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See screenshot and ACH funding details under "US Automated Clearing House (ACH) Transfer Initiated at IBKR" on IB website pafe

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1544



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@Etisan in the start question there is explicitly mentioned Interactive Brokers and how to fund trading account with them. I do not see any benefit in mentioning other brokers like Phillip Capital and moving the thread offtopic
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As previously stated, anyone should check with their particular broker for suitable methods. Transferwise is not universally acceptable as I have seen some brokers (eg. Phillip Capital) specifically say it is not.

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@Etisan in the start question there is explicitly mentioned Interactive Brokers and how to fund trading account with them. I do not see any benefit in mentioning other brokers like Phillip Capital and moving the thread offtopic

He wasn't moving the thread off topic, he was illustrating the point that brokers may not be able to transfer money out using Transferwise, referencing as an example a specific broker where he knew that to be the case. Quite clearly not off topic.
You're not a moderator, whether you see any benefit in somebody else's post is irrelevant. I'm not a moderator either, if I see a forum post that requires a moderator's input, I can notify them with the alert button in the corner of that post and it is then for them to decide.

Regarding TransferWise I had been going to mention the anti money laundering regulations requiring the outgoing account to have the same name, but then scrolled down and read others had already said the same.
From your screenshot it looks like you are paying money from your own account in to Interactive Brokers so that might be slightly different to when they are paying money out as that is then their responsibility which could mean the legal requirements are more demanding. Have you withdrawn money using Transferwise?

But the most likely reason that you have been able to use Transferwise is that the large international brokers use banks in different countries. You are a EU citizen transferring money to a UK company account. That is a completely different set of regulations than the American based operation of IB using US accounts and servicing US customers would be required to adhere to, or that a customer in an Asian country might face.

As Bob said, it doesn't matter what anybody here says, he has to ask IB and they will tell him what is or isn't allowed in his case.

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He wasn't moving the thread off topic, he was illustrating the point that brokers may not be able to transfer money out using Transferwise, referencing as an example a specific broker where he knew that to be the case. Quite clearly not off topic.
You're not a moderator, whether you see any benefit in somebody else's post is irrelevant. I'm not a moderator either, if I see a forum post that requires a moderator's input, I can notify them with the alert button in the corner of that post and it is then for them to decide.

Regarding TransferWise I had been going to mention the anti money laundering regulations requiring the outgoing account to have the same name, but then scrolled down and read others had already said the same.
From your screenshot it looks like you are paying money from your own account in to Interactive Brokers so that might be slightly different to when they are paying money out as that is then their responsibility which could mean the legal requirements are more demanding. Have you withdrawn money using Transferwise?

But the most likely reason that you have been able to use Transferwise is that the large international brokers use banks in different countries. You are a EU citizen transferring money to a UK company account. That is a completely different set of regulations than the American based operation of IB using US accounts and servicing US customers would be required to adhere to, or that a customer in an Asian country might face.

As Bob said, it doesn't matter what anybody here says, he has to ask IB and they will tell him what is or isn't allowed in his case.

Fair enough, hovewer your points are inacurate:
1. I'm indeed not moderator but I guess that giving advices that's not going to the point of initial question whicih actually reads "What's the best online method to Wire Transfer to INTERACTIVE BROKERS?" only makes threads unecessary long, confusing and so not helping to others.
2. Screenshot I pasted is from Transferwise mobile Android app.
3. AML rules was mentioned by me
4. ACH wiring is available for ALL US bank accounts regardless of the owner domicile
5. IBKR UK you see in my screenshot is only "nickname" I've been using to the payment address which is actually IBKR US account of course.

I'm guessing you've not been using Transferwise for making ACH payments to IBKR US, have you?

I believe we can close discussion over the thread's subject with the statement that funding of IBKR account is possible from US TW bank account via ACH type of payment.

RE: Have you withdrawn money using Transferwise?
Not yet from IBKR, but since I've been withdrawing e. g. from PayPal to TW US account with no issue so I'm not expecting any problem withdrawing from IBKR either.

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5. IBKR UK you see in my screenshot is only "nickname" I've been using to the payment address which is actually IBKR US account of course.

I don't believe this to be true. When from Europe you will not be an IB US client but an IB UK client. Also I think you cannot nickname the name of the instance who you send your money to. You're not an IB US client (if from Eu). What does your statement say (at the top)?

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I don't believe this to be true. When from Europe you will not be an IB US client but an IB UK client. Also I think you cannot nickname the name of the instance who you sent your money to. You're not an IB US client (if from Eu). What does your statement say (at the top)?

Well that's the problem with the forums. I do not care what anyone believe or not, personaly I would not comment on subject I'm not sure about or I do not know of, but that's apparently only my problem.

I just provided facts how to fund IBKR account from TW USD US account via US ACH payment system to IBKR USD US account. It does not matter from which jurisdiction you are, once someone is eligible to open TW USD US account he can use US ACH payment system for funding IBKR.

I think there is not any reason to extend this discussion further unless someone has got other real experience. In that case please share.

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Fair enough, hovewer your points are inacurate:
1. I'm indeed not moderator but I guess that giving advices that's not going to the point of initial question whicih actually reads "What's the best online method to Wire Transfer to INTERACTIVE BROKERS?" only makes threads unecessary long, confusing and so not helping to others.
2. Screenshot I pasted is from Transferwise mobile Android app.
3. AML rules was mentioned by me
4. ACH wiring is available for ALL US bank accounts regardless of the owner domicile
5. IBKR UK you see in my screenshot is only "nickname" I've been using to the payment address which is actually IBKR US account of course.

I'm guessing you've not been using Transferwise for making ACH payments to IBKR US, have you?

I believe we can close discussion over the thread's subject with the statement that funding of IBKR account is possible from US TW bank account via ACH type of payment.

RE: Have you withdrawn money using Transferwise?
Not yet from IBKR, but since I've been withdrawing e. g. from PayPal to TW US account with no issue so I'm not expecting any problem withdrawing from IBKR either.

1. You've given your view, I've given mine. We can agree to disagree, but my opinion being different to yours doesn't automatically make it inaccurate.

2. I can tell by the shape of the screenshot it is a mobile. I didn't make any reference to that because the device used to make the transfer is irrelevant. inferring that I did so is being inaccurate.

3. I knew AML had been mentioned so I said I wasn't going to post that, and looking back it was just you. So me saying "others had already said the same" was in fact inaccurate.

4. I googled ACH to double check I was clear on the meaning. "ACH transfers are a way to move money between accounts at different banks electronically. They enable you to send or receive money conveniently and securely" - https://www.investopedia.com/ach-transfers-what-are-they-and-how-do-they-work-4590120
Of course ACH wiring is available for all US bank accounts. Nobody has said otherwise, certainly not me. I can't imagine there is any bank in the world that doesn't allow electronic transfers of money. My point is clearly not that a broker can's send or receive money, but that US regulations could be an issue requesting a payment be sent to an intermediate account that is not in the client's name.

5. I was referring to the three mentions of Interactive Brokers (UK) Limited in the screenshot. You're saying that's a nickname?

I'm saying that's the name of the account your money is in, the account isn't in the US and therefore isn't subject to US regulation.

No I haven't used Transferwise.

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1. You've given your view, I've given mine. We can agree to disagree, but my opinion being different to yours doesn't automatically make it inaccurate.

2. I can tell by the shape of the screenshot it is a mobile. I didn't make any reference to that as the device used to make the transfer is irrelevant. Suggesting that I did so is you being inaccurate.

3. I knew AML had been mentioned so I said I wasn't going to post that, and looking back it was just you. So me saying "others had already said the same" was in fact inaccurate.

4. I googled ACH to double check I was clear on the meaning. "ACH transfers are a way to move money between accounts at different banks electronically. They enable you to send or receive money conveniently and securely" - https://www.investopedia.com/ach-transfers-what-are-they-and-how-do-they-work-4590120
Of course ACH wiring is available for all US bank accounts. Nobody has said otherwise, certainly not me. I can't imagine there is any bank in the world that doesn't allow electronic transfers of money. My point is clearly not that a broker can's send or receive money, but that US regulations could be an issue requesting a payment be sent to an intermediate account that is not in the client's name.

5. I was referring to the three mentions of Interactive Brokers (UK) Limited in the screenshot. You're saying that's a nickname?

I'm saying that's the name of the account your money is in. It doesn't matter if the account is US Dollar denominated, the account isn't in the US and therefore isn't subject to US regulation.

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From your screenshot it looks like you are paying money from your own account in to Interactive Brokers so that might be slightly different to when they are paying money out

I made conclusion you've meant I payed the money from "my account" i.e. my domestic account. I made the payment from my USD account I ve got with TW in US with COMMUNITY FEDERAL SAVINGS BANK. It's US Savings account not EU account. TW manages/creates an account in the jurisdiction of the currency. So e.g. USD in US, AUD in AU, EUR in EU.

Re ACH: ACH system is being used predominantly in US, for payments from other geo locations it is highly cost ineffective.

Re Nickname: that's perhaps missunderstanding, in TW when you make a payment, you can store it as template and give it a name. In my case, since I'm client of IBKR UK I put there the IBKR UK, that's it.
But the transfer I made was done from TW USD US account to IBKR USD US account via ACH, IBKR UK does not have its own US account for USD funding. Also, I do not have any simple cost-effective option to pay from EU account to the ACH system other than TW. funding by SEPA is different story of course.

So your conlusion is inacurate, because once someone is eligible for US account I mean in US bank, than he can use it for ACH transfers to other US bank account regardless of jurisdiction he is from. That was my fact based answer to the subject. Sharing the facts can helps others, academic discussions based on google search is not much relevant and helpful.

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That was my fact based answer to the subject. Sharing the facts can helps others, academic discussions based on google search is not much relevant and helpful.

I'm getting bored now so I will accept everything you said prior to your last sentence.

Just to be clear, I don't need your approval or disapproval to Google one point in your reply to check the exact definition of ACH, as I was unclear why you were mentioning it and inferring I had been inaccurate to do so when I hadn't said anything about it.
The fact is the OP should get the correct advice from IB as no other experience makes any difference whatsoever.

You seem to have misunderstood the point of a public discussion forum.
I could have perfectly well posted that US Anti Money Laundering rules could be an issue and be something that the OP should be aware of when he checks with IB, as I had intended to until I saw somebody/you had already done so. Despite not having direct experience with Transferwise or any other intermediate currency exchange service, and not being an IB client that doesn't mean I can't suggest something that might be relevant.
In the same way a previous person was perfectly able to mention their knowledge regarding a different broker as something that might or might not be relevant to the OP.
It's a DISCUSSION FORUM people can give there views and are free to say whatever else they think might be helpful.

That's my last reply. Good luck in your trading.

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I'm getting bored now so I will accept everything you said prior to your last sentence.

Just to be clear, I don't need your approval or disapproval to Google one point in your reply to check the exact definition of ACH, as I was unclear why you were mentioning it and inferring I had been inaccurate to do so when I hadn't said anything about it.
The fact is the OP should get the correct advice from IB as no other experience makes any difference whatsoever.

You seem to have misunderstood the point of a public discussion forum.
I could have perfectly well posted that US Anti Money Laundering rules could be an issue and be something that the OP should be aware of when he checks with IB, as I had intended to until I saw somebody/you had already done so. Despite not having direct experience with Transferwise or any other intermediate currency exchange service, and not being an IB client that doesn't mean I can't suggest something that might be relevant.
In the same way a previous person was perfectly able to mention their knowledge regarding a different broker as something that might or might not be relevant to the OP.
It's a DISCUSSION FORUM people can give there views and are free to say whatever else they think might be helpful.

That's my last reply. Good luck in your trading.

I'm not here to keep you entertained, if you are here to not being bored I think it's not me who is missing main point of the discussion forums.

My only intention was to help someone about the subject which you apparently do not have got much experience with (IBKR, ACH, TW etx.) which is fine, noone can know everything, but please be less judging of something you barely know about.


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It's a DISCUSSION FORUM people can give there views and are free to say whatever else they think might be helpful

Personaly I do not agree that me giving a view on the subject which is precisely asked and that's barely known to me would be really helpful to anyone. But as I said, that's my problem.

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I just provided facts how to fund IBKR account from TW USD US account via US ACH payment system to IBKR USD US account.

This is not true. You only showed a screenshot of money received by IB UK. "TW USD US account" is nonsense. TW=Trader Workstation is just the charting package. Account maintenance is done via Web Portal.


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I think there is not any reason to extend this discussion further unless someone has got other real experience. In that case please share.

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This is not true. You only showed a screenshot of money received by IB UK. "TW USD US account" is nonsense. TW=Trader Workstation is just the charting package. Account maintenance is done via Web Portal.



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So what? What does that should prove?

1. TW means TransferWise, I'm not sure what charting package you are talking about
2. My USD bank accound is legaly held in US Bank - meaning the bank in The United State of America
3. My brokerage account is legaly held by IBKR UK entity, as per what you've highlighted on your screenshot
4. Money transfers are being wired to common IB funding accounts depending which currency one needs to wire and from which bank account jurisdiction. Hence when I needed to use my US savings account I've been using ACH transfers, it's being then wired between mine US account and IBKR's US account.
If I was wiring EUR I've been using SEPA, if I was wiring CZK I've been using direct bank transfer available between my local bank I have account with and IBKR account held by other local bank in my home country.

What exactly is not true or is not clear?

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So what? What does that should prove?

1. TW means TransferWise, I'm not sure what charting package you are talking about
2. My USD bank accound is legaly held in US Bank - meaning the bank in The United State of America
3. My brokerage account is legaly held by IBKR UK entity, as per what you've highlighted on your screenshot
4. Money transfers are being wired to common IB funding accounts depending which currency one needs to wire and from which bank account jurisdiction. Hence when I needed to use my US savings account I've been using ACH transfers, it's being then wired between mine US account and IBKR's US account.
If I was wiring EUR I've been using SEPA, if I was wiring CZK I've been using direct bank transfer available between my local bank I have account with and IBKR account held by other local bank in my home country.

What exactly is not true or is not clear?

I regularly use Transferwise to pay/receive several different currencies & conversions between my actual real physical bank accounts around the world. I think its a great service. But..

Re 2. Just to clarify. As Transferwise say: "although your bank details are unique, they don't represent real bank accounts, but simply "addresses" for your electronic money account"
(Your US$ is actually held under the Transferwise account at Wells Fargo & your balance(s) are just a digital representation of what Transferwise "owe you")

This is the same for any of the other currencies you can hold balances in. It can be very hard for non residents/citizens to open real physical bank accounts in certain countries & the Transferwise model of payments & accounts enables a user to use them "like a real bank account" (their words) when it actually isn't(which I think is great as far it goes). This is not just a subtle difference in that although Transferwise is regulated by the UK Financial Conduct Authority, your funds are not protected as deposits under the FSCS as they are in real bank accounts (up to £85,000).

Anyway, back to the original point of Transferwise >Interactive Brokers.

Q: After doing payment as per your screenshot. Do you then have to inform Interactive Brokers to expect money for Your Account? I can see how its possible to pay: the broker > the brokers account but am curious how you put (if you do) your own account details on the original payment...That's all.
EDIT: Disregard the above Q

I'll also be interested to know how things work for withdrawals. Brokers/Banks have to tread a very tight line to ensure funds go to right people in the right place without circumventing their own banking jurisdiction practices.

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You are right, TW accounts are actually "virtual" accounts, I did not want to put useless complexity to this thread. Honestly I'm quite surprised that this one has got 22 answers....


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I'll also be interested to know how things work for withdrawals. Brokers/Banks have to tread a very tight line to ensure funds go to right people in the right place without circumventing their own banking jurisdiction practices.

If you would have tried to use TW US account with IBKR you would have not been affraid of withdrawals. Guess why?

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If you would have tried to use TW US account with IBKR you would have not been affraid of withdrawals. Guess why?


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RE: Have you withdrawn money using Transferwise?
Not yet from IBKR, but since I've been withdrawing e. g. from PayPal to TW US account with no issue so I'm not expecting any problem withdrawing from IBKR either.

"sigh".. I'd rather not play guessing games but as of yesterday you said you hadn't tried withdrawals which is why I wondered if there would be a problem. Thats all.

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So what? What does that should prove?

1. TW means TransferWise, I'm not sure what charting package you are talking about
2. My USD bank accound is legaly held in US Bank - meaning the bank in The United State of America
3. My brokerage account is legaly held by IBKR UK entity, as per what you've highlighted on your screenshot
4. Money transfers are being wired to common IB funding accounts depending which currency one needs to wire and from which bank account jurisdiction. Hence when I needed to use my US savings account I've been using ACH transfers, it's being then wired between mine US account and IBKR's US account.
If I was wiring EUR I've been using SEPA, if I was wiring CZK I've been using direct bank transfer available between my local bank I have account with and IBKR account held by other local bank in my home country.

What exactly is not true or is not clear?

Thanks for clarifying. I had it all wrong but understand now. Sorry for the hassle.

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Thanks for clarifying. I had it all wrong but understand now. Sorry for the hassle.

No worries, written communication can be sometimes confusing.

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"sigh".. I'd rather not play guessing games but as of yesterday you said you hadn't tried withdrawals which is why I wondered if there would be a problem. Thats all.

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RE: Have you withdrawn money using Transferwise?
Not yet from IBKR, but since I've been withdrawing e. g. from PayPal to TW US account with no issue so I'm not expecting any problem withdrawing from IBKR either.

Try to link TW account with PayPal. If wiring from PayPal works, then all other options will work as well.
In addition to that the very first thing what IBKR did when I wanted to make ACH funding for the first time was they tried to deposit several cents to my TW account. If it would not work they would never allow me to deposit money from my TW account. If the account would not comply with regulations I doubt that my TW account would be credited by test deposit made by IBKR.

I'm thinking about writing an e-book about funding IBKR account since there seems to be lot of rumours and guesses about it.

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