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 TrendTraderBH 
Detroit, Michigan
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Ninja Trader
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Looking at DeepDiscount as my new broker but for NT they only offer Trading Technologies.

How does this compare to Rithmic/Kinetick/CQG?

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 Seaeagle 
West Wales, UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja Trader
Trading: CL
Posts: 4 since Jul 2011
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My understanding of the differences are :-

Rhythmic feed
+ Quality feed lots of good reviews on this site regarding data
+ Orders are held on their servers, so if your PC or internet crashes, then your stop is still in place, reducing risk
- Can't find prices as low as DDT for this feed

DDT
+ The cheapest I've found for low volume (under 1000r/t / month) by approx 11% compared with Rithmic brokers
+ Apparently old issues with TT Ninja feed have now been resolved with new version of Ninja (from broker)
- Orders are held on your PC so if there is a problem your side you have to ring the desk and flatten your order (S)

CQG
+ Meant to be the best quality feed industry wide from what I've read
- Does seem to of had a lot of down time lately

There is no way of knowing the differences on quality, speed, slippage etc so I'd also be keen to hear from those that have actually used the feeds live as above info. is just from forum and broker research.

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 NetTecture 
Szczecin
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja, writing own now
Posts: 211 since Mar 2010


What about "TT has no historical data whatsoever" ?

NInja retired access to their servers for TT as per 20th of July 2011.

NinjaTrader Advisory 8

As such, you can not load historical data for the included price. It means ho back charts. It also means when your connection is down 15 minutes - you miss 15 minutes on the chart.

SIgnificant disadvantage.

This is not so much a TT issue - they use FIX to talk to TT and neither the FIX version nor the TT FIX bridge have any historical data capabilities. Subscrivbe real time - anything you miss is your problem.

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 TrendTraderBH 
Detroit, Michigan
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Ninja Trader
Trading: Futures
Posts: 315 since Nov 2011
Thanks Given: 565
Thanks Received: 301

I really like Howard and his service (answering emails on Sunday) but TT is not ideal. I sent a message to Ninja and asked why they dont offer another data feed. Not something one likes to see as a new multi user licensee.

Is there a fix to the historical data issue? Ninja?

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 Seaeagle 
West Wales, UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja Trader
Trading: CL
Posts: 4 since Jul 2011
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Ah!! - thanks for the heads up on the historical data, I was under the impression Ninja were still providing.

That would mean adding probably an IQ feed as well then, which reduces the cost advantages.

As for service, in setting up an account I have experienced fast, efficient friendly service from Howard

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 Beljevina 
Toronto, Canada
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, SierraCharts
Broker: Amp/CQG, IB
Trading: CL, GC, 6E, ES, RTY, EURUSD, GBPJPY, AUDUSD
Posts: 352 since Sep 2010


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CQG
+ Meant to be the best quality feed industry wide from what I've read
- Does seem to of had a lot of down time lately

There is no way of knowing the differences on quality, speed, slippage etc so I'd also be keen to hear from those that have actually used the feeds live as above info. is just from forum and broker research.

I would not agree that there has been 'a lot of down time lately.' Yes, the CQG feed went down for 45/60 minutes or something like that a few weeks ago, around 2:30EST. (I might be wrong on my numbers). As problematic as that might seem, I don't believe it had gone down ever for that amount of time in at least a year. Colloquially, I feel it's there 99.9x% of the time.

I am not looking to be a CQG fanboy, but on the whole I would find the feed incredibly stable and reliable, uncompressed, and pleasingly raw. There is no weekend downtime AFAIK. I use it actively during all three sessions. There is a customer portal for basic order management if their main feed goes down.

I think I have seen others execute very detailed studies on various datafeeds and their various technical aspects, but frankly I find that a bit too much information. Slippage is more a function of the overall market, not the broker. Yes, latency is important as are some other basic technical measurements. But I find folks spend too much time on this datafeed thing. From what I would judge - and for me included - things like various ISP problems, power outages, local computer/router/network issues, etc. are greater potential problems, and all of those are small issues IMO compared to our human likelihood of executing bad trades: hence, find a decent feed/broker, have Plan B's in place for all the technical stuff, but I'd say spend the majority of one's time growing as a trader, adapting to the market changes, increasing (& preserving!) one's capital, while trying to close in on that moving target of hopeful trade perfection.

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 Seaeagle 
West Wales, UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja Trader
Trading: CL
Posts: 4 since Jul 2011
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Thank you for the information

- With regard CQG, I'd gathered an opinion based on the recent postings on the "Ninja - best approach - Best data feed thread "

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 Chuck T 
Hannibal, Mo, USA
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT 7 & especially NT 8
Broker: AMP/CQG
Trading: NQ, YM, ES, GC, CL, HG
Posts: 40 since Jan 2012
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TrendTraderBH View Post
I really like Howard and his service (answering emails on Sunday) but TT is not ideal. I sent a message to Ninja and asked why they dont offer another data feed. Not something one likes to see as a new multi user licensee.

Is there a fix to the historical data issue? Ninja?

I have a small account with DDT. I have found Howard Lender extremely knowledgable and prompt to reply. I have had replies so soon I could hardly believe it. I am using Sierra Chart with the TT feed and have not liked some things about it. But feel I have gotten good fills on my small trades so far. Crossland Ranweb shows the trades fairly soon except for the emini Russell which takes about 30 minutes to post.

You will look far and wide to find a better man than Howard Lender to deal with in my opinion.

Chuck T

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 ThatManFromTexas 
Houston,Tx
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Trading: TF
Posts: 2,265 since Feb 2010
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NetTecture View Post
What about "TT has no historical data whatsoever" ?

NInja retired access to their servers for TT as per 20th of July 2011.

NinjaTrader Advisory 8

As such, you can not load historical data for the included price. It means ho back charts. It also means when your connection is down 15 minutes - you miss 15 minutes on the chart.

SIgnificant disadvantage.

This is not so much a TT issue - they use FIX to talk to TT and neither the FIX version nor the TT FIX bridge have any historical data capabilities. Subscrivbe real time - anything you miss is your problem.

The link you provided said....

July 20th, 2011
Advisory#8Disabled Historical Data Access for Trading Technologies
Dear NinjaTrader User:

This advisory is applicable to NinjaTrader users that are connecting through a Trading Technologies demonstration/trial feed. As of July 31st, 2011 you will no longer have access to historical data through a Trading Technologies connection. Trading Technologies does not provide historical data natively and to fill this gap, NinjaTrader has been providing it from our own servers through another data source. In order to be compliant with this data source, we unfortunately can no longer provide this courtesy service. Real-time data is unaffected.

An alternate service subscription based service is Kinetick - Streaming real time quotes and historical market data. Please let us know should you have any questions.

Regards,
NinjaTrader Customer Service


If I understand this advisory correctly, it appears they only discontinued historical data for demo/trial accounts.

Can anyone who uses TT confirm this?

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

My daddy always said, "Every day above ground is a good day!"
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 TrendTraderBH 
Detroit, Michigan
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Ninja Trader
Trading: Futures
Posts: 315 since Nov 2011
Thanks Given: 565
Thanks Received: 301


TMFT, I spoke to Ninja on the phone about this issue and if you use TT with NT you get no historical data live or SIM.

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